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[The Burpster]

Has anyone tried the floor stompy version of the Peterson?

I doont have and doubt if I will ever have a rack as my Mesa is just to cute to be bound by a rack, however the tuners have the best reputation I just wondered about having a stopm verison instead.....

[EBS_freak]

Has anyone tried the floor stompy version of the Peterson?

I doont have and doubt if I will ever have a rack as my Mesa is just to cute to be bound by a rack, however the tuners have the best reputation I just wondered about having a stopm verison instead.....

Stomp version is near as enough damn it the same... but obviously without all the inputs, outputs... oh - and the screensaver!

[SMART]

We're going to place another order on Peterson in the not too distant future so if anyone of you 'real and genuine' Basschaters are interested we could perhaps put together a special price and deal for you. Obviously, the more of you that join in the better the price we could offer you. Let's us know what you are looking (Peterson product) for asap.

Just some thoughts....

Ciao

Ian
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Guys

We'll be ordering more StroboStomp 2's as well so let me know if any 'Basschaters' are interested so we bring enough of those over as well.

Deadline for orders is now two weeks from today as the guys at Peterson will be at NAMM and it always takes a tad longer to get thing sorted when it's on. As soon as I have the special prices including UK mainland delivery calculated I'll email each interested party on the forum so we can keep it special amongst ourselves. Capice??

Ciao

Ian

Ian

[Muppet]

http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?ca...y=85&sub=59
http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?ca...y=14&sub=90
http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?ca...y=85&sub=58

I sent these links to Ped for explaining the "sweetned" tunings...

I'm an idiot and can't understand. Can you explain in idiot language?

[SMART]

I'm an idiot and can't understand. Can you explain in idiot language?

Unfortunately, there is no easy two sentence way of describing this unless you already understand tuning temperaments (unless some 'clever clogs' out there can kindly assist!):

Try this:

Peterson's proprietary GTR™ Sweetened Tuning™ is designed to improve the sound of musical intervals on guitar, especially 4ths and 5ths. By taking advantage of a few coincidences such as the preponderance of 4th and 5th intervals appearing in many chord positions, the particular E-A-D-G-B-E arrangement of standard guitar tuning (and also the half-step down or "dropped" tuning variation), and the less-than-perfect overtones of vibrating strings, Peterson has introduced a number of slight variations which can maximize the tuning quality of chords.

These guitar-specific Sweeteners™, including G5TH and P5TH in the AutoStrobe™ 490-ST, and GTR in the Virtual Strobe™ series, improve tuning in general but are especially important for "power chords" which feature 4th and 5th intervals. To gain maximum benefit from this feature, the guitar should be intonated (string lengths adjusted) using the strobe tuner in Equal preset, and tuned thereafter using the Guitar (GTR) temperament preset.

And this:

Traditional temperaments generally apply to instruments like the piano or organ, where every note can be separately tuned.

What about a guitar, where the frets and intonation are usually set up for equal temperament?

It turns out that significant improvements can be achieved if you set the tuning precisely enough. Peterson's proprietary GTR temperament (one of Peterson's many Sweetened Tunings™) is designed to improve the sound of musical intervals on standard and "drop tuned" guitars (EADGBE or one half-step below these), especially the 4th and 5th intervals. This improvement is most noticeable when playing in overdriven mode, where the guitar’s resulting accentuated overtones normally clash when tuned in "standard" equal temperament. The GTR temperament makes discrete adjustments to equal temperament, which has a positive effect on the overall sound.

And you really need to understand how notes on a scale are spaced and behave to understand the positive benefits of Peterson's Sweetened Tunings:

It is perhaps a cruel joke on all of us to be given such remarkable sensitivity in judging musical pitch intervals between simultaneous sounds. The mathematics of positioning (tempering) 12 scale notes in an octave prevents any more than a handful of perfectly harmonious chords for any one tuning of those notes (temperament). We have limited options:
1. We can equally space the 12 notes in the octaves so that chords of each given type (major, minor, b5#7-9, etc.) sound equally good in all keys. This is called equal temperament, the common "standard" in modern music. Unfortunately, this temperament scheme also guarantees that all chords of a given type sound equally bad! Not even one chord will have intervals that sound exactly in tune!

2. We can purposely shift certain scale notes closer to or farther from their neighbors to make perfect intervals or chords in some places. If we choose wisely, we can make the most important chords in a given key be the perfect ones. This is the concept behind Just Intonation (JST in the Temperament Menu of Peterson tuners). In the key of C, the chords of C major, F major, and G major can each have perfectly harmonious tuning intervals. Unfortunately, other chords, especially those in more remote keys like C# and F#, sound much worse than they would in equal temperament. If an instrument like a piano is tuned in Just Major temperament for the key of C, notes and chords that fall in the C Major scale sound wonderful. Modulating to the key of G, most chords sound good, some not quite as good. If one takes a more adventurous trek into the key of E, say, some real "ear-sores" start to develop in certain chords and intervals. Historically, the clinkers are dubbed "wolf tones" which gives some indication of their "charm".

3. Between the extremes given above, there are countless compromises. Why not settle for some nearly perfect chords in the most popular key signatures, while keeping the "wolves" at bay in the less traveled ones? There are about as many such "well tempered" scales as there have been minds conceiving of them. Every temperament generally takes the name of its earliest inventor or biggest proponent. Some of the more successful ones, like Werkmeister (WRK), Young (YNG), Kirnberger (KRN), and Kellner (KLN), are included in current models of Peterson tuners. Besides stock historic temperaments, Peterson Virtual Strobe™ Tuners also feature unique instrument-specific temperaments such as GTR™ for guitar, BAS for bass, and (VS-II/V-SAM™ only) E9 & C6 tempered tuning for pedal steel guitar. The VS-S StroboStomp™ pedal tuner/DI also features four optimized Buzz Feiten Tuning System® presets for electric guitar, acoustic guitar, bass guitar and 12-string guitar. All Peterson tuners (except the VS-1) are user- programmable, allowing the saving of up to 244 user temperaments to memory. The V-SAM allows you to adjust any temperament to any one of 12 roots, making these temperaments available in any specific key.

I do hope this helps.

Ciao

Ian

PS Sweetened Tunings in short get the very best out of your instrument

This post has been edited by SMART: Jan 13 2008, 11:15 PM

[bassmandan]

I am definitely interested in the Stroborack especially if you can do a special "Basschat deal"
Keep us all informed please!

+1 ..... some toerag lifted my DTR2000 from a gig a few months back and I need to replace it with like, or better. Do we have a 'ball park' notion of what kinda BC price is likely yet?

[EBS_freak]

+1 ..... some toerag lifted my DTR2000 from a gig a few months back and I need to replace it with like, or better. Do we have a 'ball park' notion of what kinda BC price is likely yet?

Hex bolts man. The opportunist never carries them.

[Hit&Run]

SWR have got a rackmount tuner in the latest issue of bass player.

[The Burpster]

Thomann can do it for £160 sent... (stomp 2)

If you can do one for less than £150 I'm in......

[EBS_freak]

SWR have got a rackmount tuner in the latest issue of bass player.

SWR tuner here -

http://www.swrsound.com/products/search.ph...rtno=4485000000

- looks quite meaty. Anybody know the price?

This post has been edited by EBS_freak: Jan 15 2008, 11:37 AM

[BigRedX]

120V only according to the web site blurb. So you'll need a step down transformer for use here in the UK.

[SMART]

Thomann can do it for £160 sent... (stomp 2)

If you can do one for less than £150 I'm in......

Hi Burpster

That'a ten four buddy! It will be under £150 for a StroboStomp 2 including UK mainland delivery (Royal Mail special Delivery Next Day).

Ciao

Ian

This post has been edited by SMART: Jan 16 2008, 07:00 AM

[EBS_freak]

120V only according to the web site blurb. So you'll need a step down transformer for use here in the UK.

I was going to write that - but then look in the pdf specs. There appears to be support for 240v also.

[The Burpster]

The pedal isnt tho'

[EBS_freak]

The pedal isnt tho'

Truth! We have two conversations kinda weaving through the thread now!

[GremlinAndy]

It's interesting to read GremlinAndy's review above. Give the fact that I paid roughly the same as what a DTR2000 would cost me, I wonder if his overall review figure would change...

Sorry for the delayed response guys.

I think it's a much better unit than the Korg but I didn't realise the prices were so close. (??? someone above says they're close right? though I can't find evidence of that myself) I bought mine from Thomman, and I know I paid a LOT more for it than the korg.

When I gave it a low mark for price I was also including the comparison with the real *budget* tuners you can get. I mean many bits of kit come with them built in for *free* now. (Like the Tascam CD bass trainer and the MP3 bass trainer too. And the Pod Pro...) That takes my tuner count to 5 including the Peterson.
So it is with that in mind that I'll maintain my comment that they are an expensive piece of gear, and very few people need one of these, when a £15 clip on one will (kinda) do the job.
Besides... what is the value of reviews where everything gets a 10/10 score. People need to know what the down side of kit is. And on this, it's the price and only the price.

EDIT:
Here we go...
Thomman Prices:

PETERSON STROBORACK VIRTUAL STROBE RACK 286.83GBP

KORG DTR-2000 BL 178.06GBP

HARLEY BENTON GT6/200 3.55GBP

This post has been edited by GremlinAndy: Feb 5 2008, 11:23 AM

[EBS_freak]

PETERSON STROBORACK VIRTUAL STROBE RACK 286.83GBP

Ouch. You got ripped.

[woodster]

I was going to write that - but then look in the pdf specs. There appears to be support for 240v also.

Ive currently got an SWR RU-N2N on it's way from the US. According to the marketing guy from SWR, the 240V version will not be coming out for anything up to a year!! The tuner is basically a re-packaged version of the Fender tuner that they bundled with the Fender heads a while back. The blue lights are way cooler and a decent voltage converter is only about £30.

My tuner is $250 with the shipping

[GremlinAndy]

Ouch. You got ripped.

So it would seem. I gather that I can get them £50 cheaper now that they're more readily available.

I guess that *might* have affected my review, but when you consider that a functioning alternative can be bought for less than £5... Nah I'll leave the quote about price as it is.


(Availability at the time I bought mine was very low so even if I'd known they were going to rip me for £50 I might still have gone for it)

I'm reminded of a *joke/proverb/whatever* from my childhood.
...A woman goes into a greengrocers and asks for half a dozen bananas. The greengrocer says "that'll be £1". The woman is outraged. "a pound?!!! at the greengrocers across the road they're only 70p!". "Why don't you buy your bananas there then?" asks the greengrocer. "Because they don't have any" she says, slightly annoyed... To which he replies "Well, when I don't have any in, mine are ony 50p!"

...and that's the thing about prices.

Andy

This post has been edited by GremlinAndy: Feb 5 2008, 11:28 AM

[EBS_freak]

GremlinAndy - You got PM dude.

I don't want to quote prices on here as I want to let SMART do their thing.

This post has been edited by EBS_freak: Feb 5 2008, 01:07 PM