kevbass Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hello, did anyone else see Friday Night with Jonathon Ross? They had a few musicians on and they did the number "Oh My God" by the Kaiser Chiefs. What intrigued me was at first glance it looked like the bass player (not the regular Kaiser chiefs player) was playing an old fender precision bass that appeared to have a chunk missing from the headstock, so I thought perhaps it was a custom made bass with a quirky styled headstock, but at closer glance it looked like the logo of the bass had been covered up with a strip of black tape. I wonder why he would do this, any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 [quote name='kevbass' post='108392' date='Dec 23 2007, 02:03 AM']Hello, did anyone else see Friday Night with Jonathon Ross? They had a few musicians on and they did the number "Oh My God" by the Kaiser Chiefs. What intrigued me was at first glance it looked like the bass player (not the regular Kaiser chiefs player) was playing an old fender precision bass that appeared to have a chunk missing from the headstock, so I thought perhaps it was a custom made bass with a quirky styled headstock, but at closer glance it looked like the logo of the bass had been covered up with a strip of black tape. I wonder why he would do this, any suggestions?[/quote] I saw that too. Maybe he doesn't want Fender taking a pic of him and saying he uses Fenders? Maybe he has another endorsement deal? Could be a load of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Erm, wasn't it Stuart Zender? Mark Ronson was on guitar, for sure. I figured some BBC Anorak meassured the decal and decided that it constituted advertising, compelling Mr. Zender to cover the "F" logo with unsightly black Gaffer tape. I note Mr. Ronson's Gibson remained unmolested. That, or it's a Squier Or some P copy that isn't licensed! Perhaps the bottom of his headstock will fall off if he untapes it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Actually, he may still be contractually bound to Warwick, whose products he used to endorse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I remember The Killers taped over their Hiwatt badges cos they cound not get a big enough discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGH Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Could be a simple case of where to put your plectrums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMART Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Lfalex v1.1' post='108412' date='Dec 23 2007, 05:56 AM']Erm, wasn't it Stuart Zender? Mark Ronson was on guitar, for sure. I figured some BBC Anorak meassured the decal and decided that it constituted advertising, compelling Mr. Zender to cover the "F" logo with unsightly black Gaffer tape. I note Mr. Ronson's Gibson remained unmolested. That, or it's a Squier Or some P copy that isn't licensed! Perhaps the bottom of his headstock will fall off if he untapes it?[/quote] Yep, it was Stuart Zender with the Fender logo covered by black tape on the headstock but I don't believe it was to stop advertising for Fender. Jools Holland did the same thing to his Yamaha piano when Yamaha were being unbelievably dense at endorsing him earlier in his career. It's almost like a protest to the A&R guys who are sometimes a bit slow on the uptake on endorsement opportunities and actually not being in touch with the scene. Ciao Ian Edited December 23, 2007 by SMART Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I did a double take when I first saw him as he looked like someone who I thought I should know but couldn't put a name to the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayfan Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 It's usually the musician not wanting to plug the product for whatever reason. The BBC don't normally stick gaffer tape over amps and the like. Does beg the question - why play the bass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakenewmanbass Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 whatever has been said in other threads about this bass players associations, when I saw it I didn't know who it was, I didn't enjoy the song but I thought the bass and drums were great. not soul-less by any stretch of the imagination Jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebo1 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I assumed it was because Sturat is still a fender endorsee. You see the same thing happen in cricket, with batsmen taking the stickers off their bats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I've seen loads of pics of Stuart Zender with stickers over his Fender logos - As already said, it's simply to to stop Fender getting free advertising from him and I've seen plenty of artists who do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebo1 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Bit of a big head ole Stu', Fender seem to be doing ok :-) You wouldn't see me putting a sticker on my pre CBS Fender logo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbass Posted December 23, 2007 Author Share Posted December 23, 2007 [quote name='Lfalex v1.1' post='108412' date='Dec 23 2007, 05:56 AM']Erm, wasn't it Stuart Zender? Mark Ronson was on guitar, for sure. I figured some BBC Anorak meassured the decal and decided that it constituted advertising, compelling Mr. Zender to cover the "F" logo with unsightly black Gaffer tape. I note Mr. Ronson's Gibson remained unmolested. That, or it's a Squier Or some P copy that isn't licensed! Perhaps the bottom of his headstock will fall off if he untapes it?[/quote] Ah so thats who he was, I've always liked his playing in the early Jamiroquai albums, I've seen him once or twice but I didnt recognise him this time round. Perhaps if he didnt want fender to get free advertising why play their basses? If he's that bothered why not have a Luthier custom build him something with a blank headstock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayfan Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 This is up on [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE6ztsdCADk"]YouTube[/url] now if you want to watch. Great funky sound from Mr Zender on a P bass. Just goes to show, it's all in the fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 It's not a vanity thing - it's a contactual thing w/Warwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit&Run Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 He (Stuart) should get someone to make a headstock decal that says 'Zender' in the style of 'Fender', and then he won't have to tape over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremen Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 [quote name='SMART' post='108430' date='Dec 23 2007, 09:27 AM']Yep, it was Stuart Zender with the Fender logo covered by black tape on the headstock but I don't believe it was to stop advertising for Fender. Jools Holland did the same thing to his Yamaha piano when Yamaha were being unbelievably dense at endorsing him earlier in his career. It's almost like a protest to the A&R guys who are sometimes a bit slow on the uptake on endorsement opportunities and actually not being in touch with the scene. Ciao Ian[/quote] Alex Cox approached some food and drink company or other for product placement in Repo Man; they failed to come up with the goods so when Otto is seen drinking or eating from a can the logo reads 'Drink' or 'Food' respectively. Happy holidays, y'all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 [quote name='Toasted' post='108515' date='Dec 23 2007, 12:31 PM']It's not a vanity thing - it's a contactual thing w/Warwick.[/quote] Zender is no longer on ANY register or literature pertaining to Warwick (hasn't been for a while). Unless he is locked in some form of legal wrangling it isn't related to Warwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionbassist1 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 (edited) doesn't zender de-badge most of the ol' ampeg gear he's currently using as well? I'm not a massive follower of mr zender but from what I can tell he has had a massive turn around in the equipment he uses, from modern amps/basses in his older stuff to now using old fenders and valve gear so perhaps it is an endorsement issue. Someone should ask him i guess. Edited December 25, 2007 by fusionbassist1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urb Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Cool, I thought it was Mr Z - re the taping over of logos on the Beeb - I think it's standard practice on any show, if you watch Jools' show all beer bottles are covered with sticky labels, I think it's the fact it's publicly funded and not allowed to advertise any brands - so the same applies to guitars and amps. This would still apply even if you are sponsored by a company - as far as I know Yamaha et al have no sway over the Beeb. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 [quote name='urb' post='109401' date='Dec 26 2007, 10:00 AM']Cool, I thought it was Mr Z - re the taping over of logos on the Beeb - I think it's standard practice on any show, if you watch Jools' show all beer bottles are covered with sticky labels, I think it's the fact it's publicly funded and not allowed to advertise any brands - so the same applies to guitars and amps. This would still apply even if you are sponsored by a company - as far as I know Yamaha et al have no sway over the Beeb. M[/quote] Are you sure? I'm not saying you are wrong and I concur that beer bottles on Jool's show have labels over them but I can't say that I've ever noticed all branding on that show or the beeb as being blacked out! I've got an old episode of Later... on HD (and some other Beeb music programmes) with an hour to kill, I think I'll check that theory out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ster Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='108563' date='Dec 23 2007, 02:30 PM']Zender is no longer on ANY register or literature pertaining to Warwick (hasn't been for a while). Unless he is locked in some form of legal wrangling it isn't related to Warwick.[/quote] +1. This is a quote from Stuart (from the Q&As at www.stuartzender.net) [i]"...I find the older basses have more dirt and less of a clinical sound than the new ones, though there is some monstrous bottom end to be found on some of the newer models. I lean towards my trusty 64P-bass a lot these days. Its unfortunate what happened to my custom basses but this is through no fault of my own. I do hope that one day they may find themselves at an auction raising lots of money for a charity that would benefit some more deserved people rather than me or the current owners. I bought my first Warwick before I joined the band and it was only after the success of the first album that I was approached by them. I did use a variety of basses on all the albums. Alembic, Fender, Musicman, and Warwick were the basses used. I currently hold no sponsorship deals from any Bass Guitar or String companies."[/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urb Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='109408' date='Dec 26 2007, 10:31 AM']Are you sure? I'm not saying you are wrong and I concur that beer bottles on Jool's show have labels over them but I can't say that I've ever noticed all branding on that show or the beeb as being blacked out! I've got an old episode of Later... on HD (and some other Beeb music programmes) with an hour to kill, I think I'll check that theory out.[/quote] Hey dood - i don't think it's all branding all the time but I think it's more along the lines of stuff that might be a last minute thing which is more likely to be required to be covered up on a 'live' program - both JR and JH shows are pre-recorded - but seeing as the brands on other shows - I imagine it's a similar thing as they do on Big Brother etc when a house mate sings a song - the producers have to get clearance to broadcast it and get royalties sorted out etc - the Beeb would most likely have to go through some legal stuff to show a MacBook on a makeover show for example - the BBC is a public service broadcaster (in theory) so can't be seen to advertise stuff blatantly - if anyone has a clearer version of this practice then please post something - but I'm pretty sure about the principals involved here. I have a well connected friend who can probably clarify this. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Any idea who the drummer is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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