tonybassplayer Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Learning Black Dog for an audition on Monday night and when it goes to the second part of the bass line ( just as it moves away from the initial riff ) it just sounds wrong and out of time/sync. I know that it can't be because that is how it is supposed to sound but when you listen to it to try to learn it is not easy. Anyone else had problems learning it ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilmour Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 The Part where it moves down to the B ? It is a little trickier, the riff is the same but the downbeat chages each bar, so you just have to work on phrasing it differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetbass Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 [quote name='tonybassplayer' post='114217' date='Jan 5 2008, 06:12 PM']Learning Black Dog for an audition on Monday night and when it goes to the second part of the bass line ( just as it moves away from the initial riff ) it just sounds wrong and out of time/sync. I know that it can't be because that is how it is supposed to sound but when you listen to it to try to learn it is not easy. Anyone else had problems learning it ??[/quote] Follow the guitar.....then if it sounds crap, look at the drummer and shake your head Just keep playing along with it untill you can feel the changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 yeah, it's always sounded "wrong" to me. I read a story that John Bonham couldn't figure out the odd time signature, so just played 4/4 through it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markytbass Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I never really had a problem the actual riff, it was the stops that got me. They always seemd slightly long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chardbass Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='SJA' post='114377' date='Jan 5 2008, 09:34 PM']yeah, it's always sounded "wrong" to me. I read a story that John Bonham couldn't figure out the odd time signature, so just played 4/4 through it?[/quote] Bonham plays it fine as it is in 4/4 and he does that stuff v good! To my ears it sounds like the guitar boys make a bit of an arse of it- it's a repetitive figure with the accents being displaced each time. It's when they play the pick up into the original riff from that section that it gets a little shaky. Something like this [attachment=4620:Preview_...ck_Dog._.pdf] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tut Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm learning it at the mo and have a hell of a time working out where to come in after the vocals each time! Any help appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Djinn Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='King Tut' post='114523' date='Jan 6 2008, 02:34 AM']I'm learning it at the mo and have a hell of a time working out where to come in after the vocals each time! Any help appreciated![/quote] If you listen carefully Bonham clicks his sticks once to lead back in after the vocal, except the for the second verse, where its timed with the end of the vocal Hope this helps, good fun when you crack it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybassplayer Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 I keep playing it and it is getting better but it still doesn't feel comfortable and I am a long way from getting it right. Think it may be one to work on when ( if ) I get in the band lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Im not sure how people feel about the program but i used powertab and got the song down in no time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='En_Djinn' post='114537' date='Jan 6 2008, 03:33 AM']If you listen carefully Bonham clicks his sticks once to lead back in after the vocal, except the for the second verse, where its timed with the end of the vocal Hope this helps, good fun when you crack it![/quote] I was just about to mention this... that's the way I did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike f Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 JPJ said; "I then came up with the bridge riff, which is in E. The riff is rather tricky sounding, as it's built from a repeated phrase that's four and a half beats long. Each time the phrase is repeated it's [i]rhythmically displaced [/i]by half a beat". Led Zep found it hard too! Just keep playing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybassplayer Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 I promise to future generations that if I ever write a classic iconic song that will last forever I will make the riff 4, 8, or 16 beats long but will never write one that is 4 and a half beats long !!!! Thanks for the explanation, it makes me feel a bit better. Wonder why he didn't just think " this would be easier for me if I knocked a note or two out here and there " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebo1 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 It's also based on a 'feel' which is hard to replicate. When it was played to Bonzo he refused to play it. Jimmy told him to play 4/4 throughout and that it would all be ok. And it was, it's one of their best tracks! Play it with some feeling, and try to let the parts 'breath'. Watch Zepp live, this is what they did (or still do I spose!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='tonybassplayer' post='114951' date='Jan 6 2008, 08:42 PM']I promise to future generations that if I ever write a classic iconic song that will last forever I will make the riff 4, 8, or 16 beats long but will never write one that is 4 and a half beats long !!!! Thanks for the explanation, it makes me feel a bit better. Wonder why he didn't just think " this would be easier for me if I knocked a note or two out here and there "[/quote] That would seem to make a lot more sense and it'd flow back into the original riff a bit more easily too, but I suppose the syncopation is an important part of the song... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny B Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='charic' post='114581' date='Jan 6 2008, 11:11 AM']Im not sure how people feel about the program but i used powertab and got the song down in no time [/quote] Sorry - what is 'powertab'? Never come across it. (I can guess that it's an automatic tabbing programme, but can anyone explain in a nutshell?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='Lenny B' post='115022' date='Jan 6 2008, 09:46 PM']Sorry - what is 'powertab'? Never come across it. (I can guess that it's an automatic tabbing programme, but can anyone explain in a nutshell?)[/quote] It's very useful, but personally I'd recommend guitar pro which is better in pretty much every way... you can download a demo of that [url="http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php"]from the website[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny B Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='queenofthedepths' post='115024' date='Jan 6 2008, 09:52 PM']It's very useful, but personally I'd recommend guitar pro which is better in pretty much every way... you can download a demo of that [url="http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php"]from the website[/url][/quote] Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanson Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I always thought it sounded out of time too, even though i knew it was sposed to be like that. i used to think it was just bad out of time g*itar playing , but i know now its not. Great track though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) I have a GuitarPro (GP3) file of Black Dog if anyone wants to play with it? Hamster Edited January 7, 2008 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I thought u had to pay for guitar pro tho lol! Also it has guitar in the name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybassplayer Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 Well I got the gig although we didn't play Black Dog on the night. Starting to get the feel of it more and I think it will be there for next weeks practice. What actually is Guitar Pro ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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