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Posted 14 November 2011 - 10:49 AM

View PostBB3000S, on 14 November 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

I'd rather have the 'like' button than these here arrows.

Better colours could be picked actually. BC Orange for good BC black for bad :) Would blend in much better

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:11 AM

View Postpaul h, on 14 November 2011 - 10:48 AM, said:

There are a handful of quite aggressive and highly opinionated posters who form the basis of most of the controversial threads.

I see this as a good way to express displeasure with their posts without getting dragged into an argument.

I disagree with this




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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:37 AM

View Postdiscreet, on 13 November 2011 - 05:19 PM, said:

Great, now someone has 'Negged' my post #5. :)

Working well already this, don't you think?
Not likely to have any effect on what people post or anything, is it?

If it's going to be like evilBay's feedback system where one is in constant fear of being negged by idiots then I'm out.

This!!! So not only am I saying "+ a big one" - but I'm doing a ^ so as to balance up the -.
Not only is it wide open to abuse & sometimes (as I've been often told) the mods aren't always around to read every post of every thread. It also appears to be an overall "dumbing down" of the forum.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:41 AM

View Postpaul h, on 14 November 2011 - 10:48 AM, said:

I see this as a good way to express displeasure with their posts without getting dragged into an argument.
True. And for most of us a neg post would be cause for concern to a lesser or greater degree. We would pause and reflect.

For a tiny but disproportionately destabilising minority, it might be a badge of honour. Let us ask ourselves this. Love his posts though I did, would tBBC have let a few hundred negs deter him?

'Like' is a good thing and enables members to express an uncontroversial approbation of a point or the way in which it is made. While 'Dislike' may have many other benefits it seems a problematically opaque platform upon which to base a forum self-policing policy.
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:44 AM

View Postskankdelvar, on 14 November 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

True. And for most of us a neg post would be cause for concern to a lesser or greater degree.

For a tiny but disproportionately destabilising minority, it might be a badge of honour. Let us ask ourselves this. Love his posts though I did, would tBBC have let a few hundred negs deter him?

'Like' is a good thing and enables members to express an uncontroversial approbation of a point or the way in which it is made. But 'Dislike' seems a problematically opaque platform upon which to base a forum self-policing policy.

Give me an old-fashioned Mod any day. They'd give you a clip round the ear and send you home to your mum. (Wanders off singing: "Boiled Beeef and Carrots, doing the Lambeth Walk! )

Has anyone ever told you before that you might be a little mad in a totally healthy way? :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:48 AM

View PostLinus27, on 14 November 2011 - 11:44 AM, said:

Has anyone ever told you before that you might be a little mad in a totally healthy way? :)

I 'liked' this.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:49 AM

Great - now my paranoia means that I have to comeback to check all my previous posts every 5 minutes just in case someone has added a neg vote - DAMN YOU !!!

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 11:51 AM

View Postthunderbird13, on 14 November 2011 - 11:49 AM, said:

Great - now my paranoia means that I have to comeback to check all my previous posts every 5 minutes just in case someone has added a neg vote - DAMN YOU !!!

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HAHAHA I have already done that in the F1 2011 thread :)
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:13 PM

View Postbremen, on 14 November 2011 - 11:48 AM, said:

Skank is the Anti-tBBC, isn't he?
Not so much, considering The Great Man and I conducted a discreet but scorching 'affaire de coeur' for many years.

You never forget your first. :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:17 PM

View Postskankdelvar, on 14 November 2011 - 12:13 PM, said:

You never forget your first. :)

Wasn't that the catch-line for Guinness?

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:25 PM

View PostLinus27, on 14 November 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

HAHAHA I have already done that in the F1 2011 thread :)
Thankfully I think most of the regulars in the F1 thread will be able to resist negging out of pettiness.

I'm not as hopeful for such a well balanced response outside of that thread though. :)
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:25 PM

View Postped, on 14 November 2011 - 09:59 AM, said:

I agree... I don't think many will use it as a substitute for a proper reply but I have just said I don't like the rep system so far. I think we'll open a poll so you can all vote at some point soon and let you choose.

See? If you had a 'like' button I would have pressed it! :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:30 PM

View PostOu7shined, on 14 November 2011 - 12:25 PM, said:

Thankfully I think most of the regulars in the F1 thread will be able to resist negging out of pettiness.

I'm not as hopeful for such a well balanced response outside of that thread though. :)

Yes I agree :)
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:30 PM

View PostBig_Stu, on 14 November 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

Not only is it wide open to abuse & sometimes (as I've been often told) the mods aren't always around to read every post of every thread. It also appears to be an overall "dumbing down" of the forum.

This. BC was one of the places I liked to visit to escape from the creepy, judgemental, mob-driven box-ticking culture that seems to be taking over the world. Now it is not. Also I note that Mods and Admin are still exempt from the system. Animal Farm, anyone?

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:32 PM

View Postdiscreet, on 14 November 2011 - 12:30 PM, said:

Animal Farm, anyone?
Don't mind if I do, old chap. Not too much soda.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:37 PM

View Postskankdelvar, on 14 November 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

Don't mind if I do, old chap. Not too much soda.

Where are my mint jujubes? :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:46 PM

I've been following this thread with interest and curiosity, as a newbie. My tuppence is that I don't mind the presence of a Like button (got used to the ubiquitous one on Facebook, and it does save saying 'me too' or 'hear hear' too many times). However, I find the dislike/neg voting system a bit dodgy and would happily do without it, for the reasons stated by previous posters on this thread and because, honestly, it's more than a little childish in my view.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:52 PM

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:55 PM

View Postskankdelvar, on 14 November 2011 - 11:41 AM, said:

For a tiny but disproportionately destabilising minority, it might be a badge of honour.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:06 PM

Actually another interesting thought, should new people be allowed to + or - until they have posted a certain amount of posts?

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:08 PM

I think we should have a poll to agree nomenclature. Here's my 2c.
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View Postcharic, on 14 November 2011 - 01:06 PM, said:

Actually another interesting thought, should new people be allowed to + or - until they have posted a certain amount of posts?

Good point. Any old Tom, Dick or Barry could turn up and destroy a lifetime's labour in just a few minutes.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:10 PM

View Postcharic, on 14 November 2011 - 01:06 PM, said:

Actually another interesting thought, should new people be allowed to + or - until they have posted a certain amount of posts?

Hm, why have a two-tier membership? I suppose you're entitled to have and express an opinion whether you've been a member for a month or several years, and if you're a dickhead, it probably doesn't make any difference to your behaviour how long you've been posting on the forum.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:16 PM

View Postbluejay, on 14 November 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

Hm, why have a two-tier membership? I suppose you're entitled to have and express an opinion whether you've been a member for a month or several years, and if you're a dickhead, it probably doesn't make any difference to your behaviour how long you've been posting on the forum.

I think he has a point though as it could eliminate multiple screen identities being created in order to fuel a neg campaign on some poor schmuck. Admittedly it's only ever likely to happen once or twice. There is already a strong case for a "two-tier" system in the FS sections (where large amounts of money are at stake) so the practice wouldn't be quite as elitist as it may at first seem.

I liked your earlier post btw. :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:16 PM

View Postbluejay, on 14 November 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

Hm, why have a two-tier membership? I suppose you're entitled to have and express an opinion whether you've been a member for a month or several years, and if you're a dickhead, it probably doesn't make any difference to your behaviour how long you've been posting on the forum.

I can just see it being a way of becoming an anonymous troll tbh

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:23 PM

View PostOu7shined, on 14 November 2011 - 01:16 PM, said:

I think he has a point though as it could eliminate multiple screen identities being created in order to fuel a neg campaign on some poor schmuck. Admittedly it's only ever likely to happen once or twice.

I liked you earlier post btw. :)

Shouldn't it be possible for the mods/admins to detect multiple identities almost automatically, through their (common) IP address? (not an expert here, so I may be wrong).

Thank you for liking my post! If the system becomes permanent in its present format, I think I may end up liking other people's posts out of politeness as well as agreement, and then I'd become the official forum luvvie, mwah mwah dahlings :) :) :o

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:33 PM

View Postbluejay, on 14 November 2011 - 01:23 PM, said:

Shouldn't it be possible for the mods/admins to detect multiple identities almost automatically, through their (common) IP address? (not an expert here, so I may be wrong).

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Nope you are right enough. It has happened before, however I'm not sure if the detection system was automatic or if it needed the crafty intervention of the forum elves. That was on the old forum's software, maybe this new software can do it.. I don't know.
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:34 PM

View PostJohnston, on 14 November 2011 - 01:02 PM, said:

Not to disappoint I thought I would start with that post B)

Maybe you should start calling him he who cannot be named in a Harry Potter stylie :) :)




After the Linus' post I considered doing a search for Alonso :) :o

As long as it is all done in good humour and not taken as some sort of gospel on someones character.

although I reckon it should stay out of OT and keep it to valid information in the on topic parts of the site. So if someone constantly gives out wrong info you know not to listen to them because of the negs but the one with loads of likes.

But I can see this becoming interesting for the Mods. I would expect a lot of "He neged me blub blub" or people neging just because they think Labour should be in power etc etc.

HAHA Well I did go and double check :o

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:39 PM

View Postskankdelvar, on 14 November 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

I think we should have a poll to agree nomenclature.

I vote for 'Negged'.
May I also pre-emptively vote for 'Negstorm'? Thanks.

View Postskankdelvar, on 14 November 2011 - 01:08 PM, said:

Any old Tom, Dick or Barry could turn up and destroy a lifetime's labour in just a few minutes.

That's always been the case, on BC and everywhere else! :)

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:43 PM

View PostOu7shined, on 14 November 2011 - 01:33 PM, said:

Nope you are right enough. It has happened before, however I'm not sure if the detection system was automatic or if it needed the crafty intervention of the forum elves. That was on the old forum's software, maybe this new software can do it.. I don't know.

Being a mod is a thankless task and a very difficult job. Ideally, there should always be at least one mod reading all the posts on the sections assigned to his/her supervision. That may not be feasible, especially if all the mods live in the same country and time zone.

Obviously, the trusted veterans of a forum can help by emailing or PMing the mods in case of trouble, and they are the most reliable defence system! Also, I may be wrong, but i thought it is possible to compile a list of words that the software will flag automatically if posted - not just swearwords, but also non-sweary insults in phrase form, for instance. That would probably help a little in the detection and eviction of double identities and trolls.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 02:03 PM

View Postdiscreet, on 14 November 2011 - 01:39 PM, said:

I vote for 'Negged'.
May I also pre-emptively vote for 'Negstorm'? Thanks.

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Negkrieg. Mwahahaha.

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