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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

View PostBetaFunk, on 26 February 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Does that mean the end of the 'this is a feeler' and 'not sure i want to part with this' posts?

Not necessarily, but it will certainly deter all but the most financially unastute fishermen. :)
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:48 PM

View PostHamster, on 25 February 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:


Approximately 4% of members who have sold items on the website have donated and the income generated isn't enough to support ongoing development of the site. So as a follow up, we'll be introducing paid advertising to the marketplace.

A pretty sad statistic but not surprising and a shame when considering all the hard work the mods obviously put in to this forum.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

View Posticastle, on 26 February 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Not necessarily, but it will certainly deter all but the most financially unastute fishermen. :)
That's a good point. That means the well heeled amongst us can still advertise basses they have no intention of selling.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

Basschat is great, I have bought a fair bit of kit here. I have sold one set of kit and gave a donation (no email though - but may have been in early days) . I would be happy to subscribe. What are the costs of hosting and running site? what bandwidth are we using? should this data be available in the community?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:04 PM

View Postflyfisher, on 26 February 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

My only concern is that if only 4% of sellers want to pay a small amount for selling through BC then will there be a big drop-off in the number of items for sale?

That was a thought I initially had when this subject was broached a little while ago.

However, when you look at the other tangible options, you could be paying up to 10% of the final sale value in commission fees instead of a fixed single fee.
Obviously, on smaller sales, this wouldn't be much, but it's a hell of a lot when you start selling equipment running into the hundreds or thousands of £s.

I think people already know that BassChat is one of, if not the, place to go if you're looking for any bass related information and realise that we offer a much more bass targeted audience than most of the other 'sales site' alternatives.

I don't think it'll take too long for potential advertisers to get over their reluctance to pay a modest amount to get access to that audience and understand that if their item is saleable and the price is right, it'll probably sell.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

View Post3below, on 26 February 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

What are the costs of hosting and running site? what bandwidth are we using? should this data be available in the community?

There's more to it than hosting and bandwidth costs.
There are also development and software upgrade costs.

The only free items involved in BC are the Mods and Admins (although I keep getting told that Kiwi & Ped have both had to have prescribed medication since I arrived).

IMHO the 'actual' costs of running the site aren't really something for public dissemination.
I can't think of another similarly relevant site that does it and that's really only the business of the guys who have paid, and continue to pay, the bills every month - as they have done for donkeys years (and I suspect have had to dip into their own pockets to subsidise BC on numerous occasions).
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

Yah that's the long and the shirt of it. The advertising pays for day to day costs, although its a full time job trying to organise it. The development costs are what we find crippling; especially as we need tighter security and have been attacked on several occasions. We have lots of things to fix and improve, and without regular reliable finding the site will slowly grind to a halt (remember bassworld anyone?!)

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

View Poststevie, on 26 February 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I think so too. It's a very intelligent solution to the problem.

... and only what users have been asking to happen for years.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:38 PM

View PostToasted, on 26 February 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:



... and only what users have been asking to happen for years.

Yeah it's been a long time coming, but it costs a pretty penny to have the software modified to this degree.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

I can imagine.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

Who's been attacking Basschat? I'd be looking closely at Banjo Hangout if I were you! :-D
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

View Posthubrad, on 26 February 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Who's been attacking Basschat? I'd be looking closely at Banjo Hangout if I were you! :-D

Those buggers at asschat again

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

I dunno... :(

...that lot are always trying to gain access via the backdoor...

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

I think it is a very good idea!

What about posts like I've got this lot to sell (list the items and the prices beside it) and none of the items cost more than £50 on their own but cumulatively they do? Where do you stand on that?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:35 PM

Probably wouldn't mind you listing them for free.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

View PostPhil-osopher10, on 26 February 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

I think it is a very good idea!

What about posts like I've got this lot to sell (list the items and the prices beside it) and none of the items cost more than £50 on their own but cumulatively they do? Where do you stand on that?

Unless of course you list a whole bass for sale in parts but offer to deliver it fully assembled. :modspank:

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:37 AM

Hi chaps,

I don't think people should think too little of the 96% of people who have never donated money to the site. To be fair, I think many people would simply believe, if they even give it any thought at all, that the site was adequately funded by other means as most forums possibly are.

The 'donation' option has been a user's free choice and clearly most people have chosen to use the site for free, myself included.

Subscription to the site as a way of contributing and therefore helping to keep the site alive is a sensible option and I hope you get a good response that really makes a difference to you chaps who run it.

As someone who has not only sold a lot of gear via the site but has also had bass students who have come to me for lessons having seen my teaching post on the forum, a £20 annual fee seems more than fair.

Good luck chaps!

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

Hmmm.
What, then, of those who stump up the £14 for listing two items which then fail to sell. That's a fair amount to be out of pocket without having sold anything at all...

Will PMs be subject to scrutiny to prevent any deals taking place outside of the marketplace environment?

What if you list something at £60 and you are haggled down below the £50 threshold? That penalises the naive, ill-informed and just plain optimistic potential vendors. You've just lost over 25% of your expected return.

Charging someone 0.2% of their revenue from a Ken Smith sale is one thing.
Charging someone 1.0% of their revenue from a MIA Fender is another
Charging someone 10% of their revenue from flogging a hard case or FX pedal is yet another.

There's a real danger that mid-price items will become an unattractive proposition to sell here, and that will be to the detriment of the entire community.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

We'd hope that anyone coming here to sell items around the £50-100 mark are probably selling other items too, or at least members who have signed up for more than to sell these small value items. In that case, a donation from them for the use of the forum in general is probably a reasonable ask.

We can always adjust the prices and so forth at a later stage, but to begin with we can't customise it any more because we can't afford to do so, yet.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

IMHO - £20 to advertise whatever you want, to a bunch of like-minded nutjobs who, for all my transactions, have been the most friendly and trustworthy people you could ask for, seems like great value. You'll get mine as soon as you're open for business on Monday

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

Seems OK to me.
I have donated and had my thank emails, but I think £20 a year is a small price to pay even just for BC itself.
I mean, if there was no BC, I would have to actually talk to people :unsure:

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:22 PM

Very happy to pay the £20 fee. Good show old chaps.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:36 PM

I'm staggered that only 4% of market place users make a donation, if Basschat wasn't here it'd be e bay, and don't get me started on that! £20 a year is fine by me - I'll save money!!
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:49 PM

No problem with it here, good work chaps and erm....keep it up.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

I'm surprised that so few people donate after flogging something, especially given the fees for a certain alternate method. As I bung something the site's way after a sale, paying up front won't make any odds to me, it'll just be the timing that will be different.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:27 PM

I'm happy to pay the 20 quid even though what I'm planning to sell is under 50 quid. I reckon most users of BC pay less than that for a set of strings.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:35 PM

Like others, I find the figure of 4% making donations disappointing. Basschat is a great resource, so lets keep it in the family. £20 is fine by me.

What about some form of fee / subscription for joining up as fully fledged member? Only a suggestion.....
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:53 PM

Hi,
No problem with the charge at all especially with the fixed yearly fee. Having just seen my ebay fees for the previous month £20 is a bargain. Just wondering what will happen with all of the goods currently advertised, can they be bumped forever or will they have a finite life ?
Presumably the mods will remove any Fodera's advertised at £49.99 + £5000.00 postage. :D

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Postedstraker123, on 04 March 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Hi,
No problem with the charge at all especially with the fixed yearly fee. Having just seen my ebay fees for the previous month £20 is a bargain. Just wondering what will happen with all of the goods currently advertised, can they be bumped forever or will they have a finite life ?
Presumably the mods will remove any Fodera's advertised at £49.99 + £5000.00 postage. :D

The pre-subscription items advertised for sale can carry on being bumped as it would be unfair to introduce the subscription retrospectively. I would be looking though for activity from the seller with bumping within the guidelines. We will be watching for sale threads where a pre-subscription Fender becomes a post-subscription Musicman! - All the Moderation team can see all previous posts - even if they have been 'deleted' by the poster. Any threads for items marked as sold/traded will be closed. They will not be 'deleted' as is often the request. We will see how it all goes, but I guess I might introduce a rule where if there has been no activity on an item for more than 28 days I might close it.

Any Fodera's for £49.99 will be bought by the moderation team and collected in person! :D

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

View Postedstraker123, on 04 March 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Presumably the mods will remove any Fodera's advertised at £49.99 + £5000.00 postage. :D

Oh yes indeedy. :D
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