LukeFRC, on 11 January 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:
The problem is with digital desks is it is so easy to do drastic eq that on a physical control would be moving it towards the edge of its travel - digital it's harder to be subtle is you're not so expert in what you're doing - that's my theory anyway
Drastic - I guess... the EQs are certainly a lot more powerful than traditional analogue desks in that they have sweepable frequency points and Q over the standard fixed settings normally found. So yes, more powerful... but more potential for poor decisions!
With the additional sweepable HPF points, you can get some incredibly good mud free mixes that just aren't possible without a load of outboard in the analogue world. I'm not sure why anybody would choose anything but a digital desk in a live environment in today's world.
LukeFRC, on 11 January 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:
we do our own mixes - the problem is it's post gain and eq on the board - so if the room eq needs much eq then it changes dramatically in my ears - ideally I would have a tiny bit more control over my sound
It sounds like your routing isn't right - off the top of my head, so forgive me if I am a little hazy, on your desk, hit the IO button on the top right. I think theres a tab called something like Mon or Monitor there on the screen that comes up. Hit that tab on the screen. The screen should show Direct Out for each channel. Ensure that everything is Direct out and corresponding to a channel (e.g Dir Out 1 is on Channel 1, Dir Out 2 is on channel 2) and ensure that you are in ME-1 mode, not Aviom mode. (I'm guessing you are in ME-1 mode already if you ME-1s are working).
Then push the processing button, again at the top right of the desk. Click the Routing tab on the screen and then the Direct Out tab. Push the select (SEL) button on the 1st channel strip for channel input 1. The screen should update showing the corresponding info for that channel.
At the bottom of that screen, I think you'll see a pop up bar (I think it's yellow) and it will say something like Direct Out Source, or Dir Out Src or something like that. If you press that, a little screen will appear with two boxes and a drop down. Ensure that the follow fader is not enabled. This means that your ME-1 is not influenced by the position of the fader for the front of house. The follow mute button configures whether muting the channel front of house should also mute the channel on the ME1. Have it pressed as you require. As for the drop down, choose the appropriate output for your needs - if you are complaining about the EQ, it sounds like you need to select a direct out point above the Post PEQ option.For example, if you chose the Post Preamp option, that should feed you the dry signal (before it hits the EQ processing) straight to your ME-1. I think there is a HPF direct out point... you may find that a good option to keep the mud out of your mix. You may need to experiment with these. I know there is a gating option - which can be great for keeping drums sounding great front of house - but may find a bit annoying in your in-ears.
Oh yeah, you'll need to repeat this configuration for every channel.
I suspect you are on follow fader/post delay at the moment... and hence why you are hearing the funky EQ and volume fluctuations with any move of the front of house faders.
To be honest, I prefer mixing off an aux and an iPad (I know the numbers are more limited that way due to you using output busses) than the ME-1 but there are some things you may want to consider depending upon how confident you are in configuring the desk and how many channels you have free. (This is applicable for both ME-1 and Aux mixing) - For a single high channel desk where a large proportion of the channels aren't being used, I will say have 24 channels for front of house and 24 channels for monitoring. You can digitally split the input from your AR2412 to a couple of channels - say input 1 goes to channel 1 and channel 25. What this means is that you can EQ say, a vocal, for front of house, on channel 1, and the EQ for your ME-1s on channel 25 - your direct outs on 25 can then be Post the EQ but still pre fader... but you have the advantage of hearing the processing in your monitor mix. What you are effectively doing now is running a front of house mixer and monitor mixer in one desk. I think I have talked about previously when talking about the inears mix that I recorded off my DL32R - exactly same concept.
It's all good fun but a bit complex if you haven't done it before and a bit of a minefield if you aren't familiar with configuring mixing desks.
LukeFRC, on 10 January 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:
and as normal its fairly hard to get the mix sounding balanced
If you fix the above, I would wager you'll find it a lot easier to mix your own inears... because at the moment, any tweaks front of house is definitely going to mess up your mix!
Hope that your sound guys get used to the desk - it's got too much to offer not to make the most of it. Controlling via DCA is really powerful... and the fx engine is really strong. It's a great desk - although having said that, it looks like they have decided to EOL it given their new announcements for NAMM and the fact that they are keeping silent over any firmware updates to fix the outstanding bugs... grr...
Anyway, hope this helps to fix your ME-1 issues* and good luck!
*I know that church PA guys are usually very precious and don't let anybody near the "complex (complex because they don't understand) and expensive" equipment... so hopefully you can get somebody on side to help get your changes applied.
Edited by EBS_freak, 12 January 2017 - 07:49 AM.