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Posted 07 January 2017 - 01:58 PM

View Postmrtcat, on 06 January 2017 - 06:23 AM, said:

My UE900s arrived yesterday. Got them from Toby deals for £174.99 inc delivery but the trade off is it took 12 days for them to arrive.
As mentioned before I've been using mee m6s until now. Initial impressions are that the UE900s are a big step up. Just a much stronger, more balanced and more detailed sound with bass that is solid and not boomy. Not as comfortable as I had hoped but I'm having them re-shelled into custom moulds at the end of the month anyway so a moot point for me. I'll update once that's done.
oh thats' good to hear.

One of the slight things with IEM is it's not easy to try lots out! I went for the ue900s in my choice between them and the cheaper mee m6s ... sounds like I made the right choice.
I found they're not the most comfortable things I've worn!

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 02:31 PM

http://www.custom-in...r-monitors.html

Check the above for reshelling in the UK through Paul at the CIEM company. You'll need to get some impressions done of your ears... choose your design... submit your donor IEMs... and wait.

Payment will factor into there at some point too! :P

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 03:34 PM

Used them at practice last night - freakingly i could hear everything! :)

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:32 PM

 LukeFRC, on 10 January 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Used them at practice last night - freakingly i could hear everything! :)

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:42 PM

Aye, I was at work, and lunch ended so couldn't type more...

Sounded great - the bottom end wasn't amazing so need to work on how well they fit, but everything was there and audible.
If anything it made me realise all the mistakes of my playing - the shock of hearing everything - combined with the first time with a new drummer meant it wasn't a stressless experience - but for the first time ever I could hear everything. We have the Allen and Heath setup which lets you do your own mix, and as normal its fairly hard to get the mix sounding balanced.

But everything also was a lot quieter in my ears. :)

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:32 PM

View PostLukeFRC, on 10 January 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Aye, I was at work, and lunch ended so couldn't type more...

Sounded great - the bottom end wasn't amazing so need to work on how well they fit, but everything was there and audible.
If anything it made me realise all the mistakes of my playing - the shock of hearing everything - combined with the first time with a new drummer meant it wasn't a stressless experience - but for the first time ever I could hear everything. We have the Allen and Heath setup which lets you do your own mix, and as normal its fairly hard to get the mix sounding balanced.

But everything also was a lot quieter in my ears. :)

The mix will balance out over time, with every time you use it, the amount of tweaking between playing will get less and less.

Presume that you are on a QU? Remember, you have compression and EQ available, so make use of it to help you hear what you need... but as you state, make sure the fit is good in your ears as a starting point.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:28 PM

 EBS_freak, on 10 January 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:



The mix will balance out over time, with every time you use it, the amount of tweaking between playing will get less and less.

Presume that you are on a QU? Remember, you have compression and EQ available, so make use of it to help you hear what you need... but as you state, make sure the fit is good in your ears as a starting point.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:57 AM

Qu - range of Allen and Heath digital mixers.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:11 PM

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Qu - range of Allen and Heath digital mixers.
ahh GLD 80 I think it is and we have the ME-1 units.
It's a church. The compression and EQ is really really good - the PA team's ability to use it less so... :(

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:13 PM

View PostLukeFRC, on 11 January 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

the PA team's ability to use it less so... :(

We resemble that remark!
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:47 PM

View PostLukeFRC, on 11 January 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

ahh GLD 80 I think it is and we have the ME-1 units.
It's a church. The compression and EQ is really really good - the PA team's ability to use it less so... :(
I have the GLD80 - no excuse for poor monitor mixes then!

The ME-1s are great little units too (alas I don't have any but have tried them - don't really lend themselves to wireless use)

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:48 PM

The problem is with digital desks is it is so easy to do drastic eq that on a physical control would be moving it towards the edge of its travel - digital it's harder to be subtle is you're not so expert in what you're doing - that's my theory anyway

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:51 PM

 EBS_freak, on 11 January 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:


I have the GLD80 - no excuse for poor monitor mixes then!

The ME1s are great little units too (alas I don't have any but have tried them - don't really lend themselves to wireless use)
we do our own mixes - the problem is it's post gain and eq on the board - so if the room eq needs much eq then it changes dramatically in my ears - ideally I would have a tiny bit more control over my sound

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:48 AM

 LukeFRC, on 11 January 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:

The problem is with digital desks is it is so easy to do drastic eq that on a physical control would be moving it towards the edge of its travel - digital it's harder to be subtle is you're not so expert in what you're doing - that's my theory anyway
Drastic - I guess... the EQs are certainly a lot more powerful than traditional analogue desks in that they have sweepable frequency points and Q over the standard fixed settings normally found. So yes, more powerful... but more potential for poor decisions!

With the additional sweepable HPF points, you can get some incredibly good mud free mixes that just aren't possible without a load of outboard in the analogue world. I'm not sure why anybody would choose anything but a digital desk in a live environment in today's world.

 LukeFRC, on 11 January 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

we do our own mixes - the problem is it's post gain and eq on the board - so if the room eq needs much eq then it changes dramatically in my ears - ideally I would have a tiny bit more control over my sound
It sounds like your routing isn't right - off the top of my head, so forgive me if I am a little hazy, on your desk, hit the IO button on the top right. I think theres a tab called something like Mon or Monitor there on the screen that comes up. Hit that tab on the screen. The screen should show Direct Out for each channel. Ensure that everything is Direct out and corresponding to a channel (e.g Dir Out 1 is on Channel 1, Dir Out 2 is on channel 2) and ensure that you are in ME-1 mode, not Aviom mode. (I'm guessing you are in ME-1 mode already if you ME-1s are working).

Then push the processing button, again at the top right of the desk. Click the Routing tab on the screen and then the Direct Out tab. Push the select (SEL) button on the 1st channel strip for channel input 1. The screen should update showing the corresponding info for that channel.

At the bottom of that screen, I think you'll see a pop up bar (I think it's yellow) and it will say something like Direct Out Source, or Dir Out Src or something like that. If you press that, a little screen will appear with two boxes and a drop down. Ensure that the follow fader is not enabled. This means that your ME-1 is not influenced by the position of the fader for the front of house. The follow mute button configures whether muting the channel front of house should also mute the channel on the ME1. Have it pressed as you require. As for the drop down, choose the appropriate output for your needs - if you are complaining about the EQ, it sounds like you need to select a direct out point above the Post PEQ option.For example, if you chose the Post Preamp option, that should feed you the dry signal (before it hits the EQ processing) straight to your ME-1. I think there is a HPF direct out point... you may find that a good option to keep the mud out of your mix. You may need to experiment with these. I know there is a gating option - which can be great for keeping drums sounding great front of house - but may find a bit annoying in your in-ears.

Oh yeah, you'll need to repeat this configuration for every channel.

I suspect you are on follow fader/post delay at the moment... and hence why you are hearing the funky EQ and volume fluctuations with any move of the front of house faders.

To be honest, I prefer mixing off an aux and an iPad (I know the numbers are more limited that way due to you using output busses) than the ME-1 but there are some things you may want to consider depending upon how confident you are in configuring the desk and how many channels you have free. (This is applicable for both ME-1 and Aux mixing) - For a single high channel desk where a large proportion of the channels aren't being used, I will say have 24 channels for front of house and 24 channels for monitoring. You can digitally split the input from your AR2412 to a couple of channels - say input 1 goes to channel 1 and channel 25. What this means is that you can EQ say, a vocal, for front of house, on channel 1, and the EQ for your ME-1s on channel 25 - your direct outs on 25 can then be Post the EQ but still pre fader... but you have the advantage of hearing the processing in your monitor mix. What you are effectively doing now is running a front of house mixer and monitor mixer in one desk. I think I have talked about previously when talking about the inears mix that I recorded off my DL32R - exactly same concept.

It's all good fun but a bit complex if you haven't done it before and a bit of a minefield if you aren't familiar with configuring mixing desks.

 LukeFRC, on 10 January 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

and as normal its fairly hard to get the mix sounding balanced
If you fix the above, I would wager you'll find it a lot easier to mix your own inears... because at the moment, any tweaks front of house is definitely going to mess up your mix!

Hope that your sound guys get used to the desk - it's got too much to offer not to make the most of it. Controlling via DCA is really powerful... and the fx engine is really strong. It's a great desk - although having said that, it looks like they have decided to EOL it given their new announcements for NAMM and the fact that they are keeping silent over any firmware updates to fix the outstanding bugs... grr... :(

Anyway, hope this helps to fix your ME-1 issues* and good luck!

*I know that church PA guys are usually very precious and don't let anybody near the "complex (complex because they don't understand) and expensive" equipment... so hopefully you can get somebody on side to help get your changes applied.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:55 PM

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:53 PM

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:01 PM

View PostOmeDunk, on 13 January 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

On their way to the cold and wet lowlands
Not too long from now then? Looking forward to hearing your appraisal of them and how they compare to what you are currently using as a benchmark.

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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:33 PM

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