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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:03 AM

Received a set of used UE900s the other day from another forum user. These things are a revelation! Haven't tried playing bass through them yet, but listening to music I'm familiar with (I thought!) I'm hearing detail I've never heard before. Most impressive...
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:47 PM

 Bigwan, on 20 September 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:

Received a set of used UE900s the other day from another forum user. These things are a revelation! Haven't tried playing bass through them yet, but listening to music I'm familiar with (I thought!) I'm hearing detail I've never heard before. Most impressive...
So what's that plan now? Use them for gigging?

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:11 AM

View PostEBS_freak, on 20 September 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

So what's that plan now? Use them for gigging?

My original intention was to put together a silent band rehearsal setup for home, based around an X18, an electronic drum kit, a few PODs (or the like - iPad running Bias FX in my case I would think) and a decent set of in-ears. Still working on the drum kit element of it (converting an acoustic kit with mesh heads and DIY triggers) but I have almost everything else - need mics of course! The last thing a (currently) non-singing bass player would think of...

I'm without a band at the minute but hoping this'll be the spark I need/have been lacking of late! Kind of "if you build it, they will come" sort of thing...
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:46 AM

Sounds interesting. Silent rehearsals are also a bizarre - but somewhat rewarding experience. Being able to hear absolutely everything certainly makes mistakes come to the limelight very quickly! Nowhere to hide!

Hope you manage to get a band established. Startups are always the most difficult!

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

Wonder if anyone can help.

My band wanted to use samples which led to using electronic gear with midi connectivity. We wanted to use a click track to keep time throughout the songs but particularly for when samples were playing and we weren't. We are using a lap top to generate the click track. We bought an uber cheap IEM system from Gear 4 Music, which works, kind of. The problem is that the click is really harsh and has to be used very loudly to be heard above our instruments (we are not a loud band). we have tried using softer clicks sounds but this hasn't helped. Does the problem lie with the cheap IEM system or at least with the earphones? Are these accentuating the attack of the clicks? Would more expensive in ears solve this?

Also, as the in ears dull the sound of our instruments - we are now looking at micing everyone up. This wasn't our original intention as we are a 3-piece in a relatively small room and can hear each other well enough when not using the in ears. Or is this simply a natural path to follow in order to get what we want. I hope that made sense?
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 03:37 PM

One of the bands I play in plays to click and they are fed through the IEMs as you are. Things I would suggest is changing the click sound (you already have done this), compressing the click (if you have the desk to do that), eqing the click...

You may be right though, the companders in cheaper IEM systems can be pretty poor. I hate what the PSM200 does to bass and the highend. After doing a couple of gigs on a PSM200, I vowed never to use them ever again as my ears just seemed so knkackered afterwards.

You may be better not going wireless - you should be able to get something together that removes the radio and compander out of the equation to see if it's the IEM system that is the source of your problems - try a wired solution. I have to say though, with the EW300 and PSM3/900 systems that I use, it's never been an issue - but I appreciate that they are a considerable investment - however they are about as close to a wired connection that you can get.

With regards to IEMs, I would always suggesting micing everything up that you would like to hear - and assume that you can't hear anything that you haven't miced up. You can go to town if you like... but for an example, on drums, you could get away with a single condenser over the right shoulder (in the recorderman position, pointing at the snare) and a kick drum - there isn't always the requirement to mic everything up. However, if you are micing everything up for FOH, you can utilise that for your IEMs.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:11 PM

hey thanks - we've not considered EQ'ing and compressing the click.

When you say a wired solution what do you mean? We found it difficult to stay in time during breaks in the song when samples were playing etc.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 07:32 PM

View Postburno70, on 05 October 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

When you say a wired solution what do you mean? We found it difficult to stay in time during breaks in the song when samples were playing etc.
Instead of using a wireless system, use a headphone amp with a physical cable that plugs directly into your mixer's aux send.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:52 PM

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:20 AM

Right, I have supercharged the rest of my PA with Dante... I'll write up some text soon about the most crazy mobile monitoring solution!

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:53 PM

View PostBigwan, on 21 September 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:

My original intention was to put together a silent band rehearsal setup for home, based around an X18, an electronic drum kit, a few PODs (or the like - iPad running Bias FX in my case I would think) and a decent set of in-ears. Still working on the drum kit element of it (converting an acoustic kit with mesh heads and DIY triggers) but I have almost everything else - need mics of course!

This is exactly how we have just started to rehearse with one of my projects. We converted my shed to a soundproof box and decorated it like a studio and fitted some cheap led par cans up. We can now shoot videos at rehearsals too - nothing fancy but it helps. Setup is -

Converted acoustic drum kit running from cheap yamaha brain into Superior Drummer
Real Hi Hat (small compromise in order to retain natural sound and feel for drummer)
Guitars through POD HD500
Bass through Helix
Vocal Mics

All goes into Behringer XR18
All band members on wired in ears.

Sounds hideous (albeit not too loud) in the room if you take your iems out but sounds heavenly with them in. Minimal setup time as it all lives permanently in the shed. Takes approx 20mins to get a useable audio mix in post production which we then sync with the video footage. I can usually knock out 2-3 little videos for our social media etc in about 1-2hours the next day after each rehearsal.

Most recent video from the shed (smoke machine has since been removed from shed lol)


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Posted Today, 11:26 AM

I have acquired a couple of sets of Shure PSM 700 IEMs via fleabay but they have no rack mounting hardware. I have sourced some rack ears but have no idea where to go for the fly leads and face grommets for the aerials.

Can anyone please direct me to a supplier?

Thanks.

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Posted Today, 11:47 AM

View Postmrtcat, on 13 October 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

This is exactly how we have just started to rehearse with one of my projects. We converted my shed to a soundproof box and decorated it like a studio and fitted some cheap led par cans up. We can now shoot videos at rehearsals too - nothing fancy but it helps. Setup is -

Converted acoustic drum kit running from cheap yamaha brain into Superior Drummer
Real Hi Hat (small compromise in order to retain natural sound and feel for drummer)
Guitars through POD HD500
Bass through Helix
Vocal Mics

All goes into Behringer XR18
All band members on wired in ears.

Sounds hideous (albeit not too loud) in the room if you take your iems out but sounds heavenly with them in. Minimal setup time as it all lives permanently in the shed. Takes approx 20mins to get a useable audio mix in post production which we then sync with the video footage. I can usually knock out 2-3 little videos for our social media etc in about 1-2hours the next day after each rehearsal.

Most recent video from the shed (smoke machine has since been removed from shed lol)



"Great minds..." and all that! Great idea for showcasing your band.

Hi-hats seem to be the biggest stumbling block with acoustic drum conversions - closely followed by triple zone cymbals/rides! I'm about to buy a megadrum module as the brain for my acoustic conversion, using EZ Drummer on my Mac mini for the sounds. I'm reluctant to use real hi-hats as I plan to set this all up in the house and, having 2 young kids, minimal noise is a necessity. Garage conversion to ultra man-cave is the plan, but that's a few years away yet!
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Posted Today, 12:01 PM

View PostGrahamT, on 17 October 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

I have acquired a couple of sets of Shure PSM 700 IEMs via fleabay but they have no rack mounting hardware. I have sourced some rack ears but have no idea where to go for the fly leads and face grommets for the aerials.

Can anyone please direct me to a supplier?

Thanks.

Google the following -

"bnc 50 ohm cable"
"bnc 50 ohm bulkhead connector"

Make sure you get the right gender ends!

PS I assume the frequencies they are operating on are legal... :ph34r:

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Posted Today, 01:16 PM

Many thanks EBS_freak. Parts ordered.

The units are 842 - 865 MHz so legal if kept in Channel 70 territory between 863 and 865.

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Posted Today, 01:47 PM

View PostGrahamT, on 17 October 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

Many thanks EBS_freak. Parts ordered.
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Posted Today, 02:14 PM

Just caught up with a mate of mine so that he could show me his latest acquisition. These are a pair of UE900s - as mentioned numerous times in the thread - that have been sent off to be reshelled. Having seen a great amount of inears up close, these look great. Incidentally, they have retained the mmcx connectors, meaning that the existing cable from the UE900s can be used (keeps costs down too). Now, where else do you get a set of custom quads for circa £360? (These are a bit more cos of the coloured canals and the custom artwork - but still under £400 I believe).

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