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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:30 PM

Haven't seen it on BC yet, so here goes:

http://www.korg.com/us/news/2014/0217/

I'm sooo getting that.


Long ago, I almost got my parents to buy one, but I stumbled on some electrical wires on the shop floor, and, landing on the Odyssey, got bleedingly hurt on its sharp edges.
After that, no sensible words towards my parents of it being OK, and I could love getting hurt everyday for that matter, were of any use.

My mom was not having that devil's child murder machine in da house!
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:19 AM

Blimey, Korg are really going for real analogue aren't they? Good to see :)
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:11 PM

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:49 PM

Hopefully the 2600 will be next on their list. :gas:

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 09:36 PM

Slight update: according to a local distributor, Korg are no longer sure about the september 2014 release due to talks about the use of the "Arp" name not being finished.
More time to save money, and get two!

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:10 PM

Update:
Korg have confirmed the delay, and now state a less specific "early 2015" instead, claiming they want to make it even better.

They could have spared themselves that last part - - not that it influences my resolve to get it.

In the mean time, Internet Rumour Market officials issue statements with specifications ranging from "KARP MS-Odyssey Mini" to "20% larger and coming in a plethora of colour choices". Sigh.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:17 AM

I bought in a hurry the MS mini and had to sell it to buy the MS Kit. ( ok except loosing some money I am very positive about that)
Now I will wait until they will come with the right version of the Oddisey...no more minis for me...and I really hope the " make it even better" does not mean digital models or sample based sounds.
I hope they will keep the good old concept and construction of Oddisey with added midi and usb.
Just like they did with the MS Kit.
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Posted 07 September 2014 - 06:16 PM

View PostTheSiberian, on 07 September 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

no more minis for me...

Indeed. They are not for keyboardists.
I'd rather have a space saving keyboardless one (actually: two), and choose my own keys.


View PostTheSiberian, on 07 September 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

and I really hope the " make it even better" does not mean digital models or sample based sounds.

Nah. I think "make it even better" and "early 2015" is just corporate speak for "we're having a lot of trouble with the rights to the ARP name in some areas, and need extra time - probably more than we say right now, and BTW, we were not convinced by the initial response from the market, so we want to stir up some extra sh*t to make people talk about it".

There is no chance they will not make it analogue, and I also feel that there is no chance they will make it better.

However, I do feel that they will not dare to release it with a big body, big keyboard and big price, and that this is gonna be a KARP mini with a pricing just above the MS-20 mini - something like that - but indeed with MIDI.
I'll buy it at any rate, whatever the outcome, but may not buy two.
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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:47 PM

View PostBassTractor, on 07 September 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:



Indeed. They are not for keyboardists.
I'd rather have a space saving keyboardless one (actually: two), and choose my own keys.




Nah. I think "make it even better" and "early 2015" is just corporate speak for "we're having a lot of trouble with the rights to the ARP name in some areas, and need extra time - probably more than we say right now, and BTW, we were not convinced by the initial response from the market, so we want to stir up some extra sh*t to make people talk about it".

There is no chance they will not make it analogue, and I also feel that there is no chance they will make it better.

However, I do feel that they will not dare to release it with a big body, big keyboard and big price, and that this is gonna be a KARP mini with a pricing just above the MS-20 mini - something like that - but indeed with MIDI.
I'll buy it at any rate, whatever the outcome, but may not buy two.

I pray you are right ( except for the mini...lol) but I ask myself some questions:
As I know the corporate world ( and I know it pretty well...unfortunately) it is a very poor idea to announce in advance a future release of an already existing brand (be it a joint venture or any other buy/sell brand's name rights) before this deal is secure. For this kind of amateur practice in the real corporate world you got usually...fired.
Now, I looked after all this new release on the net and it was never stated it will be a mini version (that means a lot of cut and short backs potentiometer and internal circuits wise...made in China, etc) - some people may like it, but I don't.
Another hard question is why and WHY are they going Oddisey way when they have already some great analog synths (MonoPoly, Polysix, etc) in their past catalogue??? Considering also that the response of the market for the mini and the kit is absolutely great.
Imagine what a great idea to have a MonoPoly Kit or a Polysix Kit. (at least for me)

So, even that I hope like you that the Korg Oddisey will be a great release I know that in this troubled world of modern profit&loss kind of synth... and that well respected japanese synth companies still strongly believe the sample based workstations are very cool & very hype...everything can happen...and not always in the pure analog way oriented.
If you have more news about this please don't forget to keep us updated.
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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:34 PM

View PostTheSiberian, on 07 September 2014 - 08:47 PM, said:

it is a very poor idea to announce in advance a future release of an already existing brand [...] before this deal is secure.

Idunno, but have read the claim several times that the problem is one area only, and a different owner to the rights there than everywhere else. If this is correct, then maybe this is one of those cases of slightly hasty processes.
The timing of the original announcement last february has been taken to mean that Korg were in a hurry to take some wind from Roland's sails as Roland announced or released something in that price bracket back then. That might explain the mistake somewhat more.
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Posted 09 January 2015 - 01:08 PM

Here's an update:

Korg will reveal the new ARP Odyssey officially on January 22 - presumably at NAMM.
After that, it will be available to shops within 30 days.

Functionality is roughly as described earlier, with duophonic capacity and all three different filters (one per Odyssey generation) available, as well as a Drive function (said to be a switch only - not a knob)
Sadly (to my mind at least) they have decided on a compact build with short sliders and reduced size keys (they say "narrow" keys, but pictures seem to show mini-keys.

Three colour schemes are available, but initially it's like this (in the US) :
First, independent shops get the black/orange one (like a Mk. III)
Then Guitar Center gets the black/gold one (like a Mk. II)
Finally, Sweetwater gets the whiteface (like a Mk. I)

US RRP is $999.

Have no info yet about the European market.
Will investigate.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 02:05 PM

I can't see why they bother with mini keys no-one will use them. It's got MIDI. Everyone who's interested in one will already have some sort of keyboard with a MIDI out on it. Could have saved some money by ditching the keyboard altogether.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:31 PM

Aye. Especially at this price point it may seem like the recipe for a crash: not interesting enough for pro players, and too expensive for the ones who're used to entering notes into sequencers through mini-keys, especially if people really believe that Behringer will soon come out with an Odyssey with full size keys, preset memories, advanced MIDI and three different filters at half that price.

(FWIW, I'm not amongst those who believe this, and Uli Behringer has worded his texts around the theme very carefully - in such a way that one is led to believe it, but without him actually having expressed it.)
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Posted 11 January 2015 - 10:16 AM

How tricky is the MS20 Kit to construct?

I was also very interested in the new Moog 37, have you tried one of those? Seems like Moog have suddenly got the price/features right - the 37s seem to be in very high demand, back ordered for ages. I've not been able to try one yet, but the reviews seem very promising.

I'm interested in this Arp too.
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Posted 23 January 2015 - 10:52 PM

GAK have got them listed to order for £779.00:

http://www.gak.co.uk...ey-synth/110501

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 01:48 PM

I'm hugely disappointed by this. Selling me an Odyssey should have been a no-brainer. But the Mickey Mouse size really puts me off: this is not what I was expecting from a 'faithful recreation'. Oh well, my Ody money will be going elsewhere, maybe Prophet 6.

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 06:28 PM

View Posttedmanzie, on 11 January 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

How tricky is the MS20 Kit to construct?

I was also very interested in the new Moog 37, have you tried one of those? Seems like Moog have suddenly got the price/features right - the 37s seem to be in very high demand, back ordered for ages. I've not been able to try one yet, but the reviews seem very promising.

I'm interested in this Arp too.

An acquaintance has a MS-20 kit. Not too difficult to build from what I've heard, no soldering or anything, all screw/bolt & clip based.

I own a Moog Sub 37 and it's a thing of beauty. I'm waiting on the v1.1 firmware as that really simplifies the modulation routing workflow and the sequencing. Great sounds, being able to play the oscillators duophonically gives loads of options, and having all the functionality on the front panel is great (I HATE menu-diving). Construction isn't quite as chunky as the Little Phatty Stage, and the LP sounds slightly warmer, but the Sub 37 is much more versatile and easier to use in live situations. I haven't got in to serious patch designing yet, but that'll be coming as am in process of joining a band to play synths. Running it through a TC Flashback x4 + Hall of Fame and it's massive.

One other "toy" that I have and can highly recommend is the Arturia Microbrute. Cheap but solidly built, very portable, aggressive, and compatible with volt/octave modular synths like Doepfer/Eurorack. I've got it hooked through my bass rig via an ABY and it provides some interesting alternative textures.

The new ARP looks interesting but not 100% convinced. I'm not in the synth market, but if I wanted more analogue gear I'd be tempted to head towards the Eurorack format as I love the whole "pick & mix" approach that it encourages.

Edit: The Prophet 6 is a very sexy piece of kit, mind!

Edit 2: Just saw a NAMM video and Korg are making a limited edition MS-20 desktop version. I would buy that one personally!

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 08:54 PM

Do any of the new versions of the MS20 allow control of the individual knobs via MIDI CCs?

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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:25 PM

Note on and off is all you get via midi or USB. You'd have to use control voltage to tweak stuff (using the Arturia Beatstep, for example).

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Posted 28 January 2015 - 05:44 PM

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Do any of the new versions of the MS20 allow control of the individual knobs via MIDI CCs?
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Posted 29 January 2015 - 12:31 AM

That's a pity and a massive opportunity lost IMO.

I had an MS20 in the 80s and it was my main instrument until I could afford something polyphonic with memories. I bought the MS20 because it looked as if it offered more than the traditional synth with the patch bay, but after I had spent some time with it I soon discovered that all the really interesting routings I wanted to try required access to the signal path, and something that the MS20 doesn't really allow. Leaving you with just a more complicated way of doing routings that other synths managed to do with far more convenient switches.

Adding an MS50 expander opened up a few of the possibilities that I was looking for, but by then I had discovered MIDI and more importantly MIDI CC. It wasn't long before the more adventurous manufacturers were producing instruments where every parameter could be accessed by MIDI CC messages and that opened up all the modulation opportunities that the MS20 promised but didn't really deliver.

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 08:57 PM

about the Korg 2600 reissue, I actually emailed them and they said they didn't know why I thought there was gonna be a reissue - then again I suspect that's a protocol answer, probs not allowed to release info, especially as its just paper talk

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 10:26 PM

The 2600 is essentially ARPs modular synth. While there is a market for modular synths these days, it's all niche and boutique and not really the sort of area that's going to be lucrative for the big manufacturers. However if you really want the 2600 sound it should be possible to find all the Eurorack modules you need to re-create the various elements.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:03 AM

Just noticed this, Korg Minilogue...

http://www.synthtopi...en-waiting-for/
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Posted 19 January 2016 - 04:57 PM

View Postpfretrock, on 19 January 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

Just noticed this, Korg Minilogue...

http://www.synthtopi...en-waiting-for/

what are people's thoughts on the minilogue?

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:38 PM

It's a steal.
Not perfec', mind, but a steal at £435.
Great as a first synth, and great as an addition for the pros.

Its competitors are either digital or a lot more expensive, so if its being analogue is important, then it's a steal.

It is far from as deep as digital synths in the same price bracket though, so there's a trade-off here.

Many people react negatively to the Korg slim keys. A Waldorf Blofeld Keyboard for example spawns a keybed of a different class, whilst Arturia and Novation do not.

Unlike some other offerings on the market, all four voices always have two oscillators available, and all four voices have their own filter (the last part is a drawback for certain sounds, but generally a lot more lauded than criticised).

It has the right amount of knobs and switches (29 and 14 IMS) to serve as a good introduction to subtractive synthesis, and also has some goodies under the hood that go beyond the first visual impression, as well as beyond bog standard subtractive synthesis.

It has a sequencer built in.

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 09:21 PM

View PostBassTractor, on 19 January 2016 - 09:38 PM, said:

It's a steal.
Not perfec', mind, but a steal at £435.
Great as a first synth, and great as an addition for the pros.

Its competitors are either digital or a lot more expensive, so if its being analogue is important, then it's a steal.

It is far from as deep as digital synths in the same price bracket though, so there's a trade-off here.

Many people react negatively to the Korg slim keys. A Waldorf Blofeld Keyboard for example spawns a keybed of a different class, whilst Arturia and Novation do not.

Unlike some other offerings on the marked, all four voices always have two oscillators available and all four voices have their own filter (the last part is a drawback for certain sounds, but generally a lot more lauded than criticised).

It has the right amount of knobs and switches (29 and 14 IMS) to serve as a good introduction to subtractive synthesis, and also has some goodies under the hood that go beyond the first visual impression, as well as beyond bog standard subtractive synthesis.

It has a sequencer built in.

More excellent info! I've been playing around with some synths today, the korg arp odyssey and the moog sub phatty, both interesting! I'm a long way off from creating Dark Side of the Moon but they were good fun! I'm gonns delay my decision for a while and focus on bass and guitar for now

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:17 AM

:o
You said the g*-word! :modspank:

You're welcome.
I may have missed important aspects, so just ask if you want to know more.
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Posted 21 January 2016 - 03:35 PM

View PostBassTractor, on 21 January 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

:o
You said the g*-word! :modspank:

You're welcome.
I may have missed important aspects, so just ask if you want to know more.

hahaha, apologies!!

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Posted 29 August 2016 - 09:08 AM

Korg USA published a picture on Instagram, and it contains two different desktop versions, so there probably are three.
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