blue Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 [quote name='CHW' timestamp='1411596949' post='2561148'] Again though- you cannot judge. From that info they could well have been massively committed to going to see live bands for the first 25 years of life, then families intervene and all of a sudden you are looking after 3 kids. It doesn't mean that you love live music any less than you did 15 years ago, you are now 40 with wistful memories of your gig going past? [/quote] Valid point, Did I waste the last 50 years of my life gigging and going to see other bands on a weekly basis? Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1411599033' post='2561158'] Valid point, Did I waste the last 50 years of my life gigging and going to see other bands on a weekly basis? Blue [/quote] In the eyes of an avid knitter..? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Indeed - and that's the thing really. We can't judge the validity of other people's lives based on our own life choices. The best we can do is not to live a life full of regrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1411602710' post='2561173'] Indeed - and that's the thing really. We can't judge the validity of other people's lives based on our own life choices. The best we can do is not to live a life full of regrets. [/quote] I have been out running every weekend either gigging or checking out other bands for the last 50 years and have no regrets. I am going to run the tires off of my life and I'll have a lot of great memories. Blue Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Admiral Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1411610110' post='2561186'] I have been out running every weekend either gigging or checking out other bands for the last 50 years and have no regrets. I am going to run the tires off of my life and I'll have a lot of great memories. Blue Blue [/quote] Great attitude - "we only pass this way but once" as the saying goes. I do think there is a bit of a cultural issue here too, insofar as I have friends in NYC and NJ who are professional musicians, and I've been at social functions where it's clear when this comes out, that the person they are talking to (usually a banker, real estate agent, lawyer etc.) sees this as being shall we say, less than worthy - as if it's not a real job and they have in some way let the side down by not buying into the 'American Dream' of making as much money as possible, and whoever dies with the most wins. And this is in a country where what you do and what you earn is a significant signifier and arbiter of your social standing, far more so I think than in the UK. Also, those who are doing well financially are very happy to let people know about it in the USA, sometimes openly talking about how much they earn - which in the UK is still regarding as very non U : the discussion of money remaining a slightly vulgar subject. I remember tagging along to a fund raiser one of my friends was playing, in a bar in Manhattan, for a Republican candidate in one of the local elections. It was after office hours, and the place quickly filled up with very intense and earnest fresh faced and well scrubbed young men and women of all ethnicities. I actually found it profoundly sad, as the desperate, clawing career climbing vibe coming off them was palpable, and I had several conversations where as soon as it was clear I was not someone who could do anything for them, they were off like a shot to talk to someone else. Also - the musicians were actually dealt with as if they were performing monkeys - back to that point about respect driven by profession etc. Clearly it's not universal, one of my friends best buddies is a dentist, who is a great keys player and a thoroughly lovely guy - who just happens to make a lot of many as a dentist, but doesn't let that define him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I have to ask - what's with all the seemingly random pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1411646507' post='2561478'] I have to ask - what's with all the seemingly random pictures? [/quote] People will have a visual of who they're interacting with. Is it weird? Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) [quote name='The Admiral' timestamp='1411624771' post='2561202'] Great attitude - "we only pass this way but once" as the saying goes. I do think there is a bit of a cultural issue here too, insofar as I have friends in NYC and NJ who are professional musicians, and I've been at social functions where it's clear when this comes out, that the person they are talking to (usually a banker, real estate agent, lawyer etc.) sees this as being shall we say, less than worthy - as if it's not a real job and they have in some way let the side down by not buying into the 'American Dream' of making as much money as possible, and whoever dies with the most wins. And this is in a country where what you do and what you earn is a significant signifier and arbiter of your social standing, far more so I think than in the UK. Also, those who are doing well financially are very happy to let people know about it in the USA, sometimes openly talking about how much they earn - which in the UK is still regarding as very non U : the discussion of money remaining a slightly vulgar subject. I remember tagging along to a fund raiser one of my friends was playing, in a bar in Manhattan, for a Republican candidate in one of the local elections. It was after office hours, and the place quickly filled up with very intense and earnest fresh faced and well scrubbed young men and women of all ethnicities. I actually found it profoundly sad, as the desperate, clawing career climbing vibe coming off them was palpable, and I had several conversations where as soon as it was clear I was not someone who could do anything for them, they were off like a shot to talk to someone else. Also - the musicians were actually dealt with as if they were performing monkeys - back to that point about respect driven by profession etc. Clearly it's not universal, one of my friends best buddies is a dentist, who is a great keys player and a thoroughly lovely guy - who just happens to make a lot of many as a dentist, but doesn't let that define him. [/quote] Yeah, I'm a Jersey Boy. Montclair, about 10 minutes outside of Manhattan , so I get it. I been gigging for so long, I'm used to and accept that I'm merely[i] "the help" [/i]to most. I'm cool with that. it doesn't bother or put me off. I dig being defined and defining myself as a "Rock Musician". Anyone would have a hard time convincing me they dig being a fund raiser and defining themselves, their self worth as a fund raiser. I have a brother who is a well known MD (some sort of specialist) when I've been at parties at his home, his guest assume I'm an MD too. When I tell them I play Bass Guitar and sing in a Rock Band, they split. I say; [i]"Cool, next..."[/i] Blue Edited September 26, 2014 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 [quote name='molan' timestamp='1411511501' post='2560340'] One thing I've noticed is how many people in bands aren't particularly musical anoraks. A lot of them 'like what they like' and aren't open to new ideas or looking beyond a very fixed and often quite limited musical genre. By definition this might mean that they aren't 'into' music per the OP even though they are competent musically and out playing public gigs ............... [/quote] I find many bass players are like that as well. They know what they know, and play their thing but they are pretty insular from a bass playing POV. I think the term 'anorak' in this context isn't so bad, and these players do not seem anywhere near as open as some on here. I'm surprised how little they know in general musical terms and experience as opposed to knowing the in and outs of the kit...which is probably a bit too far in terms of anorak-dom, but yep, limited outlook so I don't know what they get out of playing bass, tbh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Many years ago my then best mate and his new girlfriend told us that they were into group sex. Does this count? While I'm here, some needless pedantry follows (not aimed at anyone in particular, but it's been getting on my nerves a bit): [SPOILER] as used in this thread, it's 'into' - one word - rather than 'in to' [/SPOILER] Edited September 26, 2014 by leftybassman392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Was that just a throwaway remark or an invitation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1411699192' post='2562053'] People will have a visual of who they're interacting with. Is it weird? [/quote] Not at all, albeit a rare practice round here. I like the idea, though. It could catch on. Skank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Brain bleach. I need some brain bleach. Quickly... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:146269] Edited September 26, 2014 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It could indeed . . . [attachment=172588:JRHartley.jpg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaFunk Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 [quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1411492688' post='2560050'] A friend of mine is passionate about all of his hobbies - till he gets bored with it and moves onto something else - golf, fishing, decks, bikes - he's been through them all. Currently it's his Subaru WRX - buying this and that part, tuning this, extra power that....bores me shitless but it takes all sorts... [/quote] He should have bought the STi version then he wouldn't have had to buy all those tuning parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonky2 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Back to the music issue...... Think of music in another context....what about dancers? Surely they love and "feel" music as much as a musician? Apply this to thousands of clubbers who completely loose themselves (with the aid of the odd disco biscuit or two) for hours and hours to the music in the most intuitive subconscious way ? Granted, some people don't "listen" to music it just exists and at times fills a part of their day as a back ground distraction.... I genuinely feel sorry for these people who just don't seem or even want to connect. There are many different ways of appreciating music, and your commitment to it is admirable.... But no matter how good you are or how much your life revolves around it, never assume that other people can't connect or "get it"..... There are many ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammeFriday Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1411744726' post='2562496'] It could indeed . . . [attachment=172588:JRHartley.jpg] [/quote] Ah, J.R. Hartley, if I'm not mistaken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 I guess because rock & roll and band culture has been a huge part of my life for over 45 years I have a short fuse for engaging those who are pretty distant from music at any level. Back to my initial rant/complaint. If you haven't seen a a live rock band in over 10 years, don't ask me where my band is playing for the last 3 years with no intention, ability or interest to show up. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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