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Posted 24 May 2015 - 03:31 PM

View Postsuch, on 24 May 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

I'm buying an interface (most probably a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 or 2i4) and there's one little piece of info I couldn't find anywhere. When I'm recording bass to an existing project, can I use the direct headphones monitoring (for no latency) and still hear the demo that I record to? Or do I just hear my bass then and I need to use the non-direct monitoring fed back from the computer to hear both? Sorry if the question is stupid :)

From the Scarlett 2i2 User Guide ...

"Using Direct Monitoring
You will frequently hear the term “latency” used in connection with digital audio systems. In the case of the simple DAW recording application described above, latency will be the time it takes for your input signals to pass through your computer and audio software. Latency can be a problem for a performer who wishes to record while monitoring their input signals.
The Scarlett 2i2 is fitted with a “Direct Monitoring” option, which overcomes this problem. Setting the front panel “Direct Monitor” switch to ON will route your input signals directly to the Scarlett 2i2’s headphone and main monitor outputs. This enables you to hear yourself with zero latency – i.e., in “real time” – along with the computer playback. The input signals to your computer are not affected in any way by this setting.
When “Direct Monitoring” is set to ON, ensure that your DAW software is not set to route its input (what you are currently recording) to its output. If it is, you will hear yourself “twice”, with one signal audibly delayed as an echo."

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 03:59 PM

awesome, thanks a lot, Dad :)

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 05:55 PM

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 12:35 PM

I'm considering one of those too, so that's handy info. Cheers such for asking that Q & to Dad for answering it. :)

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 05:10 PM

mine is ordered, shall give it a go in a few days :) Hope it will cooperate with my lowly laptop...

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 05:25 PM

An quirk of the 2i2, or with mine at least, is that the direct-monitored sound is not identical, tonally, to what gets recorded. Fortunately, the discrepancy is the good way around, and the recorded sound is always a bit fuller and richer sounding. Also, the built-in headphone preamp is a bit weedy, which might be an issue if you have fancy high-impedance cans. Neither of these things have been an issue for me, but I just thought I'd mention. I love my 2i2, although, in hindsight, I wish I'd stumped up the little bit extra for the 2i4.

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 08:01 PM

View Postlinear, on 25 May 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

An quirk of the 2i2, or with mine at least, is that the direct-monitored sound is not identical, tonally, to what gets recorded. Fortunately, the discrepancy is the good way around, and the recorded sound is always a bit fuller and richer sounding. Also, the built-in headphone preamp is a bit weedy, which might be an issue if you have fancy high-impedance cans. Neither of these things have been an issue for me, but I just thought I'd mention. I love my 2i2, although, in hindsight, I wish I'd stumped up the little bit extra for the 2i4.

I have the 2i4 and it has the same issues re headphones amp and direct monitored sound, it just does it with more instruments :-)
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Posted 25 May 2015 - 08:44 PM

View PostMacDaddy, on 23 May 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

Super cheap option has MacDaddy written all over it!

Do I actually need an interface, or will a Jack to USB cable do?

I have powered monitors connected to the speaker out on my computer, most interfaces seem to want speakers connected to the interface?
I've found a 6.3mm to mini jack will do the trick, obviously it depends on your sound card my onboard realtek one does the trick, it has a microphone boost setting,(which I didn't use on this recording) I use a Shure SM 58, here's something I've quickly knocked up using two mono 6.3mm jacks into a stereo mini jack plugged into the mic socket of my computer with no effects added at all, just a bass and mic plugged straight in.
I should add, bass was recorded on the left channel and vocal on the right at the same time, then saved as a mono channel

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 09:40 PM

View PostPaulWarning, on 25 May 2015 - 08:44 PM, said:

I've found a 6.3mm to mini jack will do the trick...

Yes, it certainly works (download the file and rename as 'mp3' to listen to it...); the quality depends, as you say, on the soundcard. At a pinch, and on a budget, it can be useful. B)
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 01:47 PM

Inspired by this thread, I thought I'd load up the copy of Cubase LE 5 which came with my Digitech pedal. One wasted afternoon later, bottom line is it can't be loaded because the included software to enter the product key is out of date, and can not be updated by a computer running XP.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 01:56 PM

Has anyone experience of Traverso, or Jokosher DAW's?

They are both open source software and free.
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Posted 30 May 2015 - 02:18 PM

Have you tried Reaper yet? Very cheap and had a trial that doesn't expire so you can test it out until you're convinced enough to buy it.

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 01:06 AM

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Have you tried Reaper yet? Very cheap and had a trial that doesn't expire so you can test it out until you're convinced enough to buy it.

http://www.reaper.fm/
Yup tried it. Far too complicated for a numpty like me :(
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 06:26 AM

View PostMacDaddy, on 31 May 2015 - 01:06 AM, said:

Yup tried it. Far too complicated for a numpty like me :(

What exactly are you wanting to achieve..? You won't find a numptier collection of numpties than the participants of this forum; maybe we could talk you through the thin barrier to success..? I've not tried 'em all, but they don't get much more simple and intuitive than Reaper, and, apart from the admittedly daunting User Manual, there's a plethora of tuition material on t'web using it as a DAW. I had a brief look at the Open Source ones mentioned previously; they don't seem any less complex than any other.
One should not confuse, either, 'complicated' and 'complex'. These DAW applications are complex, in that there are very many aspects to 'em, but each aspect in isolation is simple enough. Taken step by step, and doing the simple things first, they ain't so bad, ime. Maybe we could (figuratively..!) hold your hand for those first steps..?
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 07:23 AM

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.......... You won't find a numptier collection of numpties than the participants of this forum.............
Just sayin'...

:lol: :lol: I think I can associatte myself with those remarks :lol:

Reaper is just superb , but I would suggest that it is not 'intuitive' . To a new user of recording software and the process , I would argue that non are actually intuitive , the first steps are definitely the hardest , but I would agree that Reaper has fantastic support, from the Cockos forums which are very helpful through to the You Tube tutorials which hold your hand through nearly any function you need and loads you never even thought of , so while slow small steps are the way to proceed , with Reaper you will find plenty of help.
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 07:53 AM

Another vote for Reaper. I'm still getting to grips with it.

By far the best tutorials I have found are at Groove3 - http://www.groove3.c...explained.html.

There are quite a few other Reaper tutorials there but this series really helps get you to grips with it. $35 to download, $15 per month to access all the videos on the website.That website has a huge number of other tutorials too, on loads of different DAWs/bits of software. It's great.
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 07:57 AM

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I would suggest that it is not 'intuitive' ...

Quite so, but it's no worse, and, imo, a lot better than a whole slew of other DAWs I've looked at. Very few folks use the more sophisticated parts, at least from the outset, and, for the simpler 'beginner' tasks, it can be made quite simple to use, once it's been set up initially. That, to me, is the hardest part; setting it up in the first place. Once done, I found it easy to use without pouring through the manuals and stuff. It's the initial plunge, getting through the 'glass ceiling' that is key, I reckon.
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Posted 31 May 2015 - 10:10 AM

I sympathise with the OP...took me 2 days to get what I was playing in sync with what I'd already recorded on Reaper...

but that was definately down to a lack of patience on my part !!

I'm using "viking guitar" somethin' or other on youtube....but I still find myself rushing to the end of the tutorial to get the bit I want :angry: ...patience is the key !!

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 01:42 AM

View PostDad3353, on 31 May 2015 - 06:26 AM, said:

What exactly are you wanting to achieve..?

At the moment just my own demos. But I need to be able to create my own drum parts, coz drum loops never have what I want.

I play guitar and bass, so my Digitech BP 355 can be used as an interface.
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Posted 01 June 2015 - 05:53 PM

my 2i2 arrived and as rubbish as I am with all things technical in general and computer-related in particular, 15 minutes later I managed to record a bass track to a backing track in Reaper. Good stuff.

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Posted 01 June 2015 - 08:28 PM

View Postsuch, on 01 June 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

my 2i2 arrived and as rubbish as I am with all things technical in general and computer-related in particular, 15 minutes later I managed to record a bass track to a backing track in Reaper. Good stuff.

This

Sometimes stuff just works and it seems miraculous , I am very much growing into the camp that believes it is worth getting kit that does the job, rather than to spend time and effort on workarounds which invariably do no more than teach you that it is best to get the kit that just works in the first place. :D
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Posted 01 June 2015 - 09:01 PM

I agree with this ^. I tried the 'zero budget' route, and decided that 'small budget' was better by far. Not that nothing can be done with very little, but that takes skill and talent, of which I am sorely lacking. Not that budget gets those, either, of course, but at least, now, I can only blame myself..!

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 04:57 PM

I found a CD of Ableton Live Lite 7, which was bundled with my line 6 uxb. Will fire it up tomorrow and see how I get on.

I've been faffing with MacWifey' s ipad and have been getting the gist of Garage band. So that's the level I'm working from.
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Posted 07 June 2015 - 03:13 PM

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I found a CD of Ableton Live Lite 7, which was bundled with my line 6 uxb. Will fire it up tomorrow and see how I get on.

I've been faffing with MacWifey' s ipad and have been getting the gist of Garage band. So that's the level I'm working from.

So, fired up Live Lite 7, and one afternoon later, have successfully upgraded to the still free Live Lite 9. The problem this time, it kept disappearing, and tying to reinstall just gave the 'uninstall' option. It turned out that my Anti virus was quarantining it each time I loaded it, which meant it disappeared from the program folders.
Anyway, I eventually sorted that and have downloaded one of their free drum packs, so I'm going to check out the tuition videos.
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Posted 07 June 2015 - 03:31 PM

View PostMacDaddy, on 07 June 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

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Anyway, I eventually sorted that ..

Did we mention that you'll be needing a big bucket of patience..? ;) Can't recommend any suppliers, I'm afraid (I'm often a bit short of it, myself..! :blush: ). The rewards are worth it, though. :D
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Posted 05 August 2015 - 12:40 PM

Another laptop for DAW question:

a man on the internet said... minimum spec recommended is a 7200 RPM hard drive, 8 gig RAM, i5/i7 processor.

Any advice on a reasonably priced laptop in this spec range?
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Posted 08 August 2015 - 11:54 AM

No laptop recommendations?
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Posted 08 August 2015 - 02:14 PM

I really don't know all the spec numbers , but I guess the more complicated you intend the process the better laptop needs to be , I started on a knackered old laptop that jumped around s bit , but it got me started , SWMBO bought the last PC and it gas a lot of numbers , but I don't know what they all mean !!
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Posted 10 August 2015 - 10:54 AM

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a man on the internet said... minimum spec recommended is a 7200 RPM hard drive, 8 gig RAM, i5/i7 processor.

Any advice on a reasonably priced laptop in this spec range?


I run an iMac with specs far more humble than those and it works for me :)

Difficult to recommend a specific laptop. The short story is that you want as much processor speed and RAM as you can afford. So I'd suggest setting yourself a budget and use that as a guide.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 11:53 AM

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I run an iMac with specs far more humble than those and it works for me :)

Difficult to recommend a specific laptop. The short story is that you want as much processor speed and RAM as you can afford. So I'd suggest setting yourself a budget and use that as a guide.
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