wishface Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1421163240' post='2657859'] Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is the only one you need if all you are looking for is music theory. If you get that (£27 on Amazon?), you will have pretty much all of the information you will ever need. The problem is the application of that information. Without some direction from others, you may struggle to apply some of the information you gather. The reason it is called Jazz Theory is because most pop/funk etc music is based on significant degrees of repetition and a book of 'pop' theory would be very short A lot of the greatest Pop artist are actually backed up by monster Jazz players/composers/arrangers (e.g. Michael Jackson/Quincy Jones, Earth, Wind and Fire was started by ex-Miles Davis Jazzers. Steely Dan records are chock full of Jazzers, as are/were Sting, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Chaka Khan, Ricki Lee Jones, James Taylor etc etc. The list is endless). The notes are the same; it is the application of theories that defines. Classical theory is not that different in terms of the 'maths' (8-note scales) but the application is VERY different and orchestration and instrumentation are much more important. [/quote]That book sounds great but I think it might overwhelm me if I try and tackle it alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Hubbard Bass Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Hi Wishface Check out my video bass lessons website where you can get weekly lessons that are structured and based on the "real-world" music concepts that Jeff Berlin talks about. Also, on the same page notice what Jeff Berlin says about me> http://www.joehubbardbassvideos.com/bassment/ Best Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatback Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Grab a sequencer for your PC and create tunes to try out your knowledge of chords etc. No need to get a keyboard at first. The advantage of this method is that you listen rather than play, you get to know the (virtual) keyboard (even if you're only placing notes on a timeline) and you get to test out what you read about. Worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 [quote name='Joe Hubbard Bass' timestamp='1421233526' post='2658644'] Hi Wishface Check out my video bass lessons website where you can get weekly lessons that are structured and based on the "real-world" music concepts that Jeff Berlin talks about. Also, on the same page notice what Jeff Berlin says about me> http://www.joehubbardbassvideos.com/bassment/ Best Joe [/quote]Thanks, but I can't afford that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1421182324' post='2658241'] Maybe you could reveal your location, either in this topic or in your Profile..? Someone may be closer to you than you think..? Just a thought; [/quote]I live in North Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coilte Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Just curious if you have chosen a course of action yet. [size=4] [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coilte Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 [quote name='wishface' timestamp='1421335289' post='2660047'] What do you mean? [/quote] Have you chosen to go with the Jazz Book, the Bass Method Book, Studybass etc . Have you decided how you are going to proceed with your learning ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Well, as I aid I can't afford the lessons. I don't know about the books. Which one would be best? Will either give me what I want? The Hal Leonard book is cheaper, but starts at a very basic level (covering technique as well as some theory; it's not just theory), while the Jazz book is very expensive and possibly rather dry (and oritented to one style of music). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatback Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 There's so much free stuff on the internet that you might not need books at all. Especially for theory, and that's where the really big payoff is imo. Honest, get a free sequencer for your PC and start making harmonies. You'll love it and you'll learn buckets. And you don't get blisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coilte Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 [quote name='wishface' timestamp='1421351030' post='2660318'] The Hal Leonard book is cheaper, but starts at a very basic level (covering technique as well as some theory; it's not just theory), [/quote] You could always get vols 2&3 separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjs1909 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Another great resource is Scott's Bass Lessons - http://www.scottsbasslessons.com/ Plenty of free lessons which may be useful in learning how to use the theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='fatback' timestamp='1421351242' post='2660320'] There's so much free stuff on the internet that you might not need books at all. Especially for theory, and that's where the really big payoff is imo. Honest, get a free sequencer for your PC and start making harmonies. You'll love it and you'll learn buckets. And you don't get blisters. [/quote] do you know anything that works on ubuntu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='wishface' timestamp='1421397656' post='2660667'] do you know anything that works on ubuntu? [/quote] [url="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/"]Rosegarden...[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1421398218' post='2660674'] [url="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/"]Rosegarden...[/url] [/quote] Thanks, i've downloaded that. Looks a bit involved though. Not sure I want to learn software in order to learn music theory as well. I'll go into the muysic shop in town tomorrow and see if they still have either of those books in town. The more academic of the shops has more of the theory books than Guitar Soloist Central aka PMT It's been a while since I used a sequencer and i've never found them particularly easy to use, especially without proper tools/keyboard. To quote Jah Wobble "midi is hell" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='rjs1909' timestamp='1421369214' post='2660581'] Another great resource is Scott's Bass Lessons - [url="http://www.scottsbasslessons.com/"]http://www.scottsbasslessons.com/[/url] Plenty of free lessons which may be useful in learning how to use the theory [/quote]His lessons are really cool (though he's got Teen Town wrong! ), do the free ones cover much theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='wishface' timestamp='1421408952' post='2660815']... I'll go into the muysic shop in town tomorrow and see if they still have either of those books in town... [/quote] While you're there, why not pop into the local library and ask, or have a browse..? I'd be much surprised if they had absolutely nothing in the way of basic music theory. Maybe not precisely targeted to the bass, but it all applies, whatever the instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coilte Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1421414217' post='2660904'] While you're there, why not pop into the local library and ask, or have a browse..? I'd be much surprised if they had absolutely nothing in the way of basic music theory. [/quote] OP, there is no shortage of music theory on the web, like in this link : http://www.billygreen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Music%20Theory%20-%20Basic,%20Intermediate,%20Advanced.pdf The problem, as discussed earlier in this thread, and as you admit yourself.....is applying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1421416766' post='2660955'] OP, there is no shortage of music theory on the web, like in this link : [url="http://www.billygreen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Music%20Theory%20-%20Basic,%20Intermediate,%20Advanced.pdf"]http://www.billygree...%20Advanced.pdf[/url] The problem, as discussed earlier in this thread, and as you admit yourself.....is applying it. [/quote] An excellent link; some good stuff in there, and for free..! It's nevertheless based on harmony; there's nothing on the rhythmic side of things. Maybe, as a drummer, I'm too sensitive over such details..? I'll see if I can find an equivalent source which goes into that aspect, and edit here if I come up trumps. [Terminator] "I'll be back... " [size=4][/Terminator][/size] [size=4]Edit: Here's one that covers the ground a bit...[/size] [url="http://learnmusictheory.net/free/freefeezelltheorybookvol1.pdf"][size=4]Music Theory Fundementals...[/size][/url] [size=4]...which comes from here...[/size] [url="http://learnmusictheory.net/"][size=4]Learn Music Theory ...[/size][/url] Searching for "learning music theory pdf" brings up a lot of stuff. Have a trawl..? 2nd Edit: Having looked a bit closer at that last site linked, it's an absolute gold mine of information and resources, including an astonishing Anthology containing over 100 pieces of classical composition for study and practise..!. OK, it's not rock'n'roll, but boy, is there some stuff to absorb in there..! I'm glad I found it; thanks for provoking this..! My day is hereby made..! [size=4] [/size] Edited January 16, 2015 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1421414217' post='2660904'] While you're there, why not pop into the local library and ask, or have a browse..? I'd be much surprised if they had absolutely nothing in the way of basic music theory. Maybe not precisely targeted to the bass, but it all applies, whatever the instrument. [/quote]I've tried that, the library is pretty useless tbf, though they do have a dvd on slap bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Well, Cresus I am not, but I've just splashed out the princely sum of 3€98 on the download of all the subject matter on that site I linked to, all 150 pages of it. The Anthology part (over 450 pages...) was free. I'm now set up for a fair few long winter nights honing my skills in music theory. Not a bad deal, I think, but, for those reticent to empty the bank on trust, the information is there, subject by subject, for free, if one wants to just dip in and test the water. It's not going to get any cheaper than that. Edited January 16, 2015 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 I had a look at that learn music theory site. It's certainly interesting, and I'm wondering if what i'm really after is learning to read music. Though I didn't really study the site in depth, it seems that the theory on offer is more about rules for how music should be written rather than how it works. I'm not sure being told how music should be made - you know: 'when playing a chord always do X' - is what I need, as opposed to "when you are playing over X major 7 playing these notes will sound like..." if you catch my drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisthebass Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Have been following this thread - what follows is just my 2p's worth: You can't really go wrong with some of the lessons on Scott Devine's site. He does a lot of work on the Major scale and the modes in his videos - it's really just a matter of looking through them and see what applies to what you're after. Another guy who has brought out some very good books in the last few years is Stuart Clayton - his "Scales & Modes" and "Reading Music" books are well worth the money - check out his Bassline Publishing website. After that, it's all about putting the hours in - if you can get together with like minded musicians to play with, that helps as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Playing with living breathing people would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Has anyone knowledge of the Tony Grey Bass Academy book+DVD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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