spectoremg Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1431265172' post='2769387'] The whole show has just popped up on YouTube, and - IMO - Geddy's voice renders it unlistenable. He just can't do it any more, which is a real shame. [/quote]I listened to some of it too - Geddy's defo got a bit of paulmccartneyitis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1431290237' post='2769742'] That's really easy on the eye. [/quote] Sure is - but 4080s have always felt a bit top-heavy for me. Stick the bass on the bottom like a Shergold or Mike Rutherford's customer Rickenbacker 360/12-4001 cut&shut model. (I'm sure Geddy will see the error of his ways on reading this and switch immediately) Edited May 11, 2015 by toneknob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybassplayer Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 [quote name='blamelouis' timestamp='1431252174' post='2769141'] Ok guys never got into Rush but read Neal Pearts autobiographical "Ghostrider" and was blown away. Any recommendations for dipping ones toe into the Rush catalogue? [/quote] I read it a while back and it totally changed my outlook on life. Makes you realise how precious time with loved ones is. Read most of them now. A little highbrow in places but staggeringly honest about life on the road from his own personal perspective. I find him very inspirational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1431259264' post='2769291'] I'd be over the moon if they just came over here with a minimal production. A couple of amps, and a few spots. That would be awesome. :-) [/quote]Me too! [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1431265172' post='2769387'] IMO - Geddy's voice renders it unlistenable. He just can't do it any more, which is a real shame. [/quote] Possibly a bit strong... but I see where you are coming from. For a sixty year old he does pretty well, but his voice does sound very strange now on the older material (and not much better on the new stuff!). It doesn't seem to be a problem with range though. Some of the high notes are still there... but his delivery style has changed significantly, and not for the better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 As some singers get older they often have to change the way in which they operate just to get through tours at all. Rush have been playing some of the older songs in dropped keys for quite a while (that detuned red bass used to be a dead giveaway that an 'oldie' was coming up) so he's probably struggling on the top notes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 True. Fish (ex-Marillion frontman) has suffered more than most from this over the years, as he used to sing in a falsetto voice back in the eighties.... But it's not just the keys with Geddy, it's the strange wailing delivery he seems to have adopted too. That changes the whole dynamic of the song IMO. Such is life. I'd still rather listen to current Rush than 99% of other bands currently out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 [quote name='Conan' timestamp='1431344965' post='2770159'] But it's not just the keys with Geddy, it's the strange wailing delivery he seems to have adopted too. That changes the whole dynamic of the song IMO. [/quote] Yeah - his phrasing is just weird now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVZXXnabD0"]Geddy on a Thunderbird (I think - I'm crap at Gibsons)....[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 [quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1431331025' post='2769940'] Sure is - but 4080s have always felt a bit top-heavy for me. Stick the bass on the bottom like a Shergold or Mike Rutherford's customer Rickenbacker 360/12-4001 cut&shut model. (I'm sure Geddy will see the error of his ways on reading this and switch immediately) [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Maybe Geddy's has some coaching with his voice and maybe the re-phrasing is something to do with going easy on it. As someone said earlier though he's not really struggling with the high(ish) notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsmith Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) [quote name='Bassassin' timestamp='1431256364' post='2769222'] Now this is interesting, if you're a spotter like me: It's one of 3 things - a Rickenbacker one-off, a Rickenbacker Geddy Lee Sig prototype, or (shock, horror!) a COPY!!! Proper Rick tailpiece (as never before seen on a bass played by Geddy), full-width inlays, wavy Grovers, gold scratchplates, looks like bolt-on or set necks - & I bet it's got checked binding. Proper early 70s tribute, that is. This, more than anything else, makes me a little sad they ain't coming over here. Jon. [/quote] Set/bolt-on necks are normal on 4080s (guitar necks are bolt-on, bass necks are set, but also have a plate). I am almost certain that this doubleneck Geddy is using once belonged to the guy who very kindly helped me find both my Rick doublenecks. It was a restoration by Dale Fortune, complete with full width inlays (which Rickenbacker hadn't started doing again at the time) and, yes, checkerboard binding. It was in a bad way before and had a nasty headless six string guitar neck. Before & After pics below. I know the person it was restored for took the horseshoe out and put it in another bass - everything else looks identical to the bass Geddy is playing. Having seen the setlist, I can't help myself & I'm off to Vancouver in July. Edited May 12, 2015 by jonsmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonsmith Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Replying to my own post...but I've found a photo of my 4080/12 next to the one I am sure Geddy is using and I can see that even back then (2008) the horseshoe is already gone from the restoration doubleneck. Note the very narrow walnut wings on the bass headstock, same as in the photo of Geddy Lee's doubleneck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That's the same bass, 99.9% certain. And the one option I didn't consider - a quite amazing restoration. I've been blown away by the quality of some of Dale Fortune's work before on the RickResource board - cheers for unearthing the pics. Wish I could afford to go. Maybe they'll get a second wind & come over here after all - I won't even complain about Geddy's peculiar yodelling! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Updated news on setlists, final tour speculation and more: http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/main/R40tournews.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Just seen this - check out the screens at 1:24! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT7k_pJRcKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1432071212' post='2777958'] Just seen this - check out the screens at 1:24! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT7k_pJRcKE [/quote] Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm hoping that their "retirement" is retirement from the long tours that they're known for. I'm hoping that they do come to the UK at some point in the not too distant future, and I'm also hoping that they continue to operate as a recording band, as Clockwork Angels was their best album in a long time. Best albums for a non-Rush fan? I' say that yo should try Clockwork Angels, Snakes & Arrows and Vapour Trails. Then work through the rest of the back catalogue if you like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1432071775' post='2777965'] Yup. [/quote] What am I missing? anything apart from general awesome guitar solo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1431265172' post='2769387'] Geddy's voice renders it unlistenable. He just can't do it any more, which is a real shame. [/quote] I agree - fair play to them soldiering on, but it's like yodelling. I've only got into Rush very recently (and quite selectively too) and I'd be bang up for seeing them on this tour, should they come to the UK, but I doubt I could sit through a couple of hours of that style. Shame, but there you go. I can't sing like I could 35 years ago either ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) 1:24 what are we missing - Me too!? If we're hinting that it looks like his black Rick, it's not, later on looks like his Jazz. Edited May 20, 2015 by visog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 P. Boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 Shoreline gold at that. The bass I refered to back at the start of the thread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Seems Ged's become obsessed with collecting vintage basses. Wonder if he posts on here? Anyway, this is apparently what he's taken out on tour: J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 [quote name='Bassassin' timestamp='1432140194' post='2778565'] Seems Ged's become obsessed with collecting vintage basses. Wonder if he posts on here? Anyway, this is apparently what he's taken out on tour: J. [/quote]Well you'd want to max out your endorsements on your (allegedly) final tour wouldn't you. His backline must be massive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1431361538' post='2770489'] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVZXXnabD0"]Geddy on a Thunderbird (I think - I'm crap at Gibsons)....[/url] [/quote] That is awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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