karlfer Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Our sound guy has put an appeal up to identify this purported 1951 amp. Any ideas will be gratefully passed on to him. Cheers in advance (ps if you know what it is, well, I thought I was sad ) Karl. [URL=http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/Karl_Altdorfer/media/11144081_1636740356538466_9095245528440048178_n_zpsocxzvfm6.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q693/Karl_Altdorfer/11144081_1636740356538466_9095245528440048178_n_zpsocxzvfm6.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/Karl_Altdorfer/media/22218_1636740443205124_5946746409525150422_n_zpstunssfvk.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q693/Karl_Altdorfer/22218_1636740443205124_5946746409525150422_n_zpstunssfvk.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorick Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 First thoughts, maybe a Silvertone... Can't see anything exactly like it though. Any idea of speaker configuration or mains voltage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 You probably would have to open it up to find identifying markings. It's probably not a Silvertone, unless there was a UK company that used that name. In the US Silvertone was a store brand sold by Sears-Roebuck, many rebadged Coral and Danelectro, but not in the 1950s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinB Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Why do the amp experts have to be so old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 [quote name='ColinB' timestamp='1432210587' post='2779199'] Why do the amp experts have to be so old? [/quote] beat me to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 [quote name='ColinB' timestamp='1432210587' post='2779199'] Why do the amp experts have to be so old? [/quote] No whippersnappers should have the knowledge . I thought about editing the title then thought CBA. I will ask our beloved soundman for more details. I hope I have the life expectancy to get a reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Could try Mr Foxen who I think has gone from BC but can be found here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ampstack/351966881575839?pnref=lhc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Cheers Mykesbass, will try him on ******fakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I've never seen one like it, but it does remind me of early Watkins . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Looks very Fenton-Weill to me, leaning towards Bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Looks a bit too modern to be 1951 in my totally uneducated opinion, as it looks like the old Dansette wooden box with vinyl covering constrruction which was early 60's if my memory serves me well, likewise the plastic handle. But I could be totally and embarrassingly wrong.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartelby Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 [quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1432211875' post='2779221'] Could try Mr Foxen who I think has gone from BC but can be found here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ampstack/351966881575839?pnref=lhc [/quote] He still reads the forum from time to time. But he's facebook page would probably be a safer/quicker bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1432209359' post='2779182'] You probably would have to open it up to find identifying markings. [/quote] Impeccable advice as usual, you might get lucky with labels or other manufacturing info inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Thanks guys. As predicted no rapid response from sound guy Dansette was a word that sprung into my tiny brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK Jale Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Dansette's a good call actually as their record players did use that exact type of ICI-made salt-and-pepper grille cloth for a time. As did Marshall, around '63-'64. [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I spent a bit of time on this and none of the usual non-famous suspects seem to fit - Elpico, Supertone, Grampian, Shaftesbury, Futurama, Geloso, Eko, etc etc. [/font][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebasshead Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 [quote name='KK Jale' timestamp='1432237942' post='2779669'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Dansette's a good call actually as their record players did use that exact type of ICI-made salt-and-pepper grille cloth for a time. As did Marshall, around '63-'64. [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I spent a bit of time on this and none of the usual non-famous suspects seem to fit - Elpico, Supertone, Grampian, Shaftesbury, Futurama, Geloso, Eko, etc etc. [/font][/color] [/quote]You forgot Ronco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 From sound guy, "surprisingly state of the art , 2 x 12A7, 1 x EL84, 1 x EZ80. 1 x ELAC 8x5 speaker with input transformer. Tone,Volume,Beat,Speed Controls. (Tremelo like effect). The valves in it, are the basis of many modern amps, they we only designed 5 years before this Heath Robinson. Might be an early Watkins Westminister who started in 1951? Only thing inside is the the date 2nd March 1951. Serial Number 1141. 240V AC." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 LIke I said, I could be totally and embarrassingly wrong....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK Jale Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 So could I, as it looks early '60s to me too....! I think the date is a red herring or a mis-read. Wiki says EL84s were developed in 1953, EZ80s in 1954. Reboxed Watkins Westminster, or a homebuilt copy, is a possibility... we may never know... sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 Thanks guys. No doubt those of you with interest/knowledge of this stuff, are aware of the following link, but I will share it anyway. From the splendid Mr Foxen http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/britamps/restof.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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