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#31 Happy Jack

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 08:59 AM

Pas avec un trois-metre bargepole, mon ami.

French seller with feedback of four, posting to mainland France only. Claims that it has all four original strings (!) and has never had any problems, despite knowing virtually nothing about the bass's history. Doesn't state if the electrics work at all. No case mentioned. Lousy photos.

I'd rather bid for the Hondo!
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Posted 03 June 2007 - 07:02 PM

View PostHappy Jack, on Jun 3 2007, 09:59 AM, said:

Pas avec un trois-metre bargepole, mon ami.

French seller with feedback of four, posting to mainland France only. Claims that it has all four original strings (!) and has never had any problems, despite knowing virtually nothing about the bass's history. Doesn't state if the electrics work at all. No case mentioned. Lousy photos.

I'd rather bid for the Hondo!

I'm going to watch this. So long as price doesn't go silly, may have a punt.
I go quite regularly all over France on business, & selling location (Montsoult) not far from Paris, which is my next visit.
I've asked seller if local collection is OK. Then if it's no good, can refuse it.
However, all depends on price, which has already crept up to 280Euros.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 03:59 PM

A "Rockinbetter":

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1

£499 BIN. :) Looks really tacky.

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Posted 07 June 2007 - 08:08 PM

View PostBassassin, on Jun 7 2007, 04:59 PM, said:

A "Rockinbetter":

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1

£499 BIN. :) Looks really tacky.

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I agree. 500 quid seems a lot to me. It's not old, made in China(?).
I normally love the older Tokais, but this doesn't do it for me.
Much prefer some 'vintage' Jap crap for half the price.
'Rockinbetter' also seems a bit naff to me.
Probably a great bass - I dunno....

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 11:43 AM

View Postnick, on Jun 3 2007, 07:02 PM, said:

I'm going to watch this. So long as price doesn't go silly, may have a punt.
I go quite regularly all over France on business, & selling location (Montsoult) not far from Paris, which is my next visit.
I've asked seller if local collection is OK. Then if it's no good, can refuse it.
However, all depends on price, which has already crept up to 280Euros.

hi all..

talking about this selling, i tried to bid on it and did'nt got the auction at the end. end price is quite high and there's a big problem with the seller. i asked him few times some détails and never received any answer. now that auction is over, i received a second chance offer which came from UK (!!!), and he ask to pay via Western Union ! of course, its a true swindling. i just wonder from where come the problem : the seller or another person who picked my email...

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 06:22 PM

If the email originated from ebay (you'd need to check the extended headers to be sure) your email is most likely from the the seller. In any event you'd by well advised to steer clear.

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 07:26 PM

View Postjihemt, on Jun 9 2007, 12:43 PM, said:

hi all..

talking about this selling, i tried to bid on it and did'nt got the auction at the end. end price is quite high and there's a big problem with the seller. i asked him few times some détails and never received any answer. now that auction is over, i received a second chance offer which came from UK (!!!), and he ask to pay via Western Union ! of course, its a true swindling. i just wonder from where come the problem : the seller or another person who picked my email...

I sent the seller two emails regarding possibility of local collection & questioning neck/action/playability, in French. Didn't receive a reply.
To be honest, I wouldn't bother - can't be bothered with hassle. If I had have won it & seller wasn't prepared to let me inspect it in person & collect it personally, could end up as a headache.
I think this was accurately summed up in an earlier post - 'bargepole...'

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Posted 10 June 2007 - 09:44 AM

i totally agree... it was an interesting bass howewer.. i have an early Ibanez 2388b, mapleglo, whith the big humbucker treble pu and the most i play it, the most i love the sound, which is somewhere between a real rick and a Pbass..
theses days, i was looking for a real rick, a jetglo, which was the most common, but prices are now too high.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 12:11 AM

A Shaftesbury:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1

Apparently the fact it's been touched by some talentless oxygen thieves is a point of interest.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 06:06 AM

looks good...i'd like to find one in jetglo ! but i only saw the one in bass center, which is too expensive and look quite ugly with its strange bridge pu...

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 06:13 PM

View Postjihemt, on Jun 11 2007, 07:06 AM, said:

looks good...i'd like to find one in jetglo ! but i only saw the one in bass center, which is too expensive and look quite ugly with its strange bridge pu...

Dunno why, but most of the old copies came in that unconvincing yellowy-pink fireglo, or maple. The only ones I can think of which were available in black were Ibanez. You could look out for a later Ibanez copy, which had "proper" Rick-style pickups rather than humbuckers - but they're even rarer than the type you already have.

A guy who used to post on BW/BT (not sure if he came to ChaseBat) had a left-handed one.

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Captain JapCrap is currently wielding the following items of Vintage Nipponese firewood:

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And introducing the FreakBass Circus:

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Gordy Blueshift Custom Fretted/Fretless Twin-Neck Prog Nightmare (and back brace)


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Posted 11 June 2007 - 08:21 PM

View PostBassassin, on Jun 11 2007, 01:11 AM, said:

A Shaftesbury:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1

Apparently the fact it's been touched by some talentless oxygen thieves is a point of interest.

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Oh! That one's near me. Makes a change. :)
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Posted 13 June 2007 - 10:02 PM

Another "Ibanez" surfaces ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-Copy-Ba...1QQcmdZViewItem
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 11:04 AM

View PostHappy Jack, on Jun 13 2007, 11:02 PM, said:


Unusual to see a Southpaw - the only other I've seen is Deksawyer's (did he come over from BT or get sick of all the running & hiding?) and his is an Ibanez.

Strangely, if the number the guy quotes is a serial number, it looks consistent with Fuji Gen numbering, so it might in fact have been sold as an Ibanez. Wonder if it has checked binding?

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And in Contemporary Korean Driftwood:

Aria STB-GT Sex-On-A-Stick

And introducing the FreakBass Circus:

Tokai B-135 Talbo :: Yamaha SBV500 :: Ibanez EDA900 Ergodyne :: Hohner B2A Steinbugger :: Cort Headless


Gordy Blueshift Custom Fretted/Fretless Twin-Neck Prog Nightmare (and back brace)


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Posted 14 June 2007 - 04:45 PM

what would be, according to all of you, the "average" price for theses ibanez copies ?
i'll maybe sell mine (maybe !!!) to get money to buy a "real" 4003 that a friend of mine plan to let go...
cruel dilemmna !! :)

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 05:23 PM

View Postjihemt, on Jun 14 2007, 05:45 PM, said:

what would be, according to all of you, the "average" price for theses ibanez copies ?
i'll maybe sell mine (maybe !!!) to get money to buy a "real" 4003 that a friend of mine plan to let go...
cruel dilemmna !! :)
Depends if you can get an Ebay auction to run to completion without it being pulled by the RickenCops. I've seen them fetch around, and slightly over, £500. That's specifically Ibanez-branded ones, because Ebay idiots will pay a premium for that name. I've often commented on the ridiculousness of that, given that I've seen real Ricks sell outside Ebay for not much more.

Your Ibanez probably wouldn't get as much in a private sale, though - "Ebay Madness" is a big factor!

How much is your friend looking for for the 4003?

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Captain JapCrap is currently wielding the following items of Vintage Nipponese firewood:

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And in Contemporary Korean Driftwood:

Aria STB-GT Sex-On-A-Stick

And introducing the FreakBass Circus:

Tokai B-135 Talbo :: Yamaha SBV500 :: Ibanez EDA900 Ergodyne :: Hohner B2A Steinbugger :: Cort Headless


Gordy Blueshift Custom Fretted/Fretless Twin-Neck Prog Nightmare (and back brace)


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Posted 14 June 2007 - 05:43 PM

mmmh..if i sell it, i'll stay away from ebay i think. on a first time, i'll try to propose it on this topic for some serious "connoisseurs !'
my friend is selling its 4003 for 1200 euros, which is less than all i see here in France.. (ok, its a friend price and he know that i play many Macca titles !)..

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 07:08 PM

View Postjihemt, on Jun 14 2007, 06:43 PM, said:

mmmh..if i sell it, i'll stay away from ebay i think. on a first time, i'll try to propose it on this topic for some serious "connoisseurs !'
my friend is selling its 4003 for 1200 euros, which is less than all i see here in France.. (ok, its a friend price and he know that i play many Macca titles !)..

€1200 is a very good price for a Rick, particularly if it's in good condition.

As far as your Ibanez is concerned, outside of Ebay - and particularly on here, if that's what you're planning, I doubt you'll get anything like the €740 you might get on Ebay. I might be wrong, but I think you'll have to be prepared to accept quite a bit less.

Considering how rare the Ibanez Rick copies are, I think you'd be better off keeping it, and maybe looking at other ways of raising the money. The Ibanez will become more rare & more collectable, after all.

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And introducing the FreakBass Circus:

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Gordy Blueshift Custom Fretted/Fretless Twin-Neck Prog Nightmare (and back brace)


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Posted 14 June 2007 - 07:53 PM

its a wise advise... i'd like to keep it, and as you say, i see that theses basses are very rare now. i really love the sound of my ibanez : pu's are very punchy, and, imho, better sounding that real rick ones. as i already played on a 4001 in the past, i can compare. the "rick" sound is quite easy to obtain with the ibanez. it make theses copies more versatile than real rick..
and constructionwise, ibanez are problably almost as good than rick basses...
i'll wait.. prices will probably decrease for real ones after the crazyness of theses days...

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 02:42 PM

the Shaftesbury's seller had been pulled off Ebay... don't know if its due to the Rickenbacker police or not..
either it was too explicit for rickenbacker either its another swindler, as for the French last copy on ebay... :)

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 07:08 PM

May be of interest to somebody who likes to 'tinker'!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rickenbacker-bass-gu...1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:16 PM

Well that didn't last long!

Pulled within an hour of being identified here ... I'm sure the ricky Police are monitoring this thread.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 09:51 PM

View PostHappy Jack, on Jun 17 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

Well that didn't last long!

Pulled within an hour of being identified here ... I'm sure the ricky Police are monitoring this thread.

:huh:

Think you're right. Ever felt like you're being watched? :huh:
Even though this is probably my favourite topic on this site. Starting to think that any ebay posting, is more than likely helping the Ricken-Gestapo acheive their aim in ridding the World (or at least ebay)of these evil nasty counterfeit instruments! :)
Having said that, above seller didn't help themselves by referring to Rickenb*cker in item description.

Final thought; didn't Bruce Foxton use an Ibanez copy? Don't suppose it harmed the sales of 4001 in the UK?

I'll probably receive a 'blitzkreig' after this post! :huh:

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:33 PM

Just to split hairs - that listing hasn't been pulled - the seller ended it early. He says it's because someone's pointed out it's not actually a real one! He wants to re-list it as a copy, presumably.

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And in Contemporary Korean Driftwood:

Aria STB-GT Sex-On-A-Stick

And introducing the FreakBass Circus:

Tokai B-135 Talbo :: Yamaha SBV500 :: Ibanez EDA900 Ergodyne :: Hohner B2A Steinbugger :: Cort Headless


Gordy Blueshift Custom Fretted/Fretless Twin-Neck Prog Nightmare (and back brace)


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Posted 18 June 2007 - 11:43 AM

some thing i don"t understand well : what element is so prohibited on ebay ??? the word "rickenbacker" or the simple fact to sell a rickenbacker copy ? copies are not ,imho, illegal as far they're not sold "as" real ones... if its the design of the bass which is the problem, why Fender does not apply the same politic ? Rickenbacker is a little factory if i remember well, and have to look closely what happen to their products, but there are some limits... it took actually two years to got one brand new, if you order one from europe, they purely do what they want (when i ordered mine, few years ago, it took a long, long time to receive a bass which was not the one i asked !!!), they apply a virtually red-neck politic on forums, sells and spirit, so i think they would be inspired to not play such a obsessive attitude for copies...and last, i don"t think that there're so much copies available now...so...its become ridiculous...

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:23 PM

You're quite right about all that, Jihemt.

Rickenbacker own trademarks to all branding & all parts of the design of their instruments - body, headstock, hardware (Rickenbacker are currently putting pressure on Hipshot to cease production of their replacement bridge. Doesn't look much like the original, though, does it? :) ) and apparently, under US law, a trademark owner must actively pursue all visible infringements (including ones from 30 years ago) or they run the risk of losing the trademark. Rickenbacker is a small company, and wants to stay that way, so they're down on the copyists, current & past, to preserve their market share. This is according to RIC CEO John Hall - who I've actually discussed this with, via email.

There's a tiny discrepancy here, relating to the copies. The US trademark registry is a public record, and if you dig, it appears that Rickenbacker registered most of their TMs in the late 90s/early 2000s, presumably when Hall modernised the old company & formed Rickenbacker International Corp.

Which obviously means that all those 70s copies were built to that design before Rickenbacker registered its ownership of the design - and it would presumably only take one manufacturer (Ibanez, for example, since they're still trading) to hold up an old 70s copy in court & say - "but look - here's one we made earlier. In 1975, to be exact" - for all of RICs trademarks to be void.

So pulling the auctions is effectively sweeping the old copies under the carpet & hiding them from public view. Sale of these things is in no way illegal, but if Ebay don't pull them when RIC request, they likely face the risk of John Hall taking them to court for facilitating the sale of counterfeit goods.

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Captain JapCrap is currently wielding the following items of Vintage Nipponese firewood:

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Kasuga EB-750 Rickenbugger :: Frankenbugger :: Matsumoku Rickenfaker :: Retrovibe RV4 GayGloBugger

And in Contemporary Korean Driftwood:

Aria STB-GT Sex-On-A-Stick

And introducing the FreakBass Circus:

Tokai B-135 Talbo :: Yamaha SBV500 :: Ibanez EDA900 Ergodyne :: Hohner B2A Steinbugger :: Cort Headless


Gordy Blueshift Custom Fretted/Fretless Twin-Neck Prog Nightmare (and back brace)


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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:23 PM

thanks for all theses details.. the other bad thing, with this attitude it to artificialy increase the value of both :: copies and real ricky.
its like a crazyness : when a thing become rare or "illegal", prices explodes. if you add the revival for all vintage looking guitars, you get the actual madness with prices. for all parts, from the whole bass to the smallest screw. Many Ebayers are selling some ricks part to part. look at the trussroad plate cover : since rickenbacker ask the original one to replace it (another way to stop copy), you will pay no more than 100 or more, usd for one...
you talk about bridges : where is the problem for rickenbacker ? first, if you look their website, there's nothing for sale : all parts are unavailable ! unless you live in front of the factory and are the best friend of one of the employee, no chance to get one !
replacements hiphsots are better (not in look i agree) than original ones, which are well known to be difficult to setup to have the right notes...
and as i said, honestly, WHO is making rickenbackers copies theses days ? chineses ? i didn't saw any.. the main copies are now 35 years old, and once again, rare..
worst thing : before this "copy war" i don't think that any company (chineses, or any country you want) really care to make copies of a brand which where a bit condidential.
now, i think they clearly see their interest ! any crappy copy (which was not the case of ibanez ones) will reach incredible prices, even if its stay only one hour on ebay...
hope i'm clear, as i don"t speak english so much... :)

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 03:57 PM

Jihemt - once again, you're right (& your English is fine - don't worry! :) ) - the price of copies being pushed up was one of the issues I wanted to discuss with John Hall & the RIC forum people - I joined up there, and asked all these questions very politely. Hall removed my post within about 10 minutes, and banned me from the board!

He is accessible & I did have an email discussion with him about some of these things - the prices & demand for copies is an unfortunate side-effect of what he says he has to do to retain his trademark. I do actually have quite a lot of respect for his integrity - Gibson & Fender etc have taken the easy option & licensed their designs to overseas builders - hence Squier & Epiphone, etc.

Rickenbacker refuse to do this - they are a small, family-run (owned entirely by Hall & his wife) business, and as such maintain an exceptionally high quality standard for a mass-produced instrument. Hall is committed to keeping it this way - he's not interested in making more money by building cheaper, imported branded copies, Rickenbacker's reputation is based on its quality & exclusivity. Although this annoys me as a collector of old Jap copies - I have massive respect for his principles on this, and (grudgingly!) support him.

I'm less impressed with Hall's actions regarding the Hipshot bridge. The point is, Rickenbacker are designing, and apparently close to launching, a completely redesigned 4001/4003 bridge/tailpiece, which apparently addresses all the issues the original has - poor intonation adjustment, inflexible height adjustment, "tail lift", etc. Hipshot's bridge, which already addresses all of these issues, has been on the market for some time, at a fairly reasonable price, and has been deservedly popular. It doesn't seem to have bothered RIC up until now.

Hall has now decided, because the base plate shape is the same as the Rick original (it bears no other resemblance), that it's an infringement, and is chasing Hipshot to cease & desist. He claims that while the bridge is a well-engineered & inexpensive (compared to the original part) replacement, using the same shape footprint as the original was nothing but a cynical ploy to ensnare RIC customers by trading on a copyrighted design. He claims Hipshot could have made the bridge any shape and it would have been just as efficient.

While the last point is in some way true, one can't help thinking that the fact that RIC is intending to launch a redesigned bridge, which is likely to bear rather more relation to the modern Hipshot design, than the current 50s/60s era Rick bridge, means he wants the competition out of the way. RIC have already stated that their new product will be "expensive" and will be dearer than the current price for the Hipshot.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 04:22 PM

great informations there, thanks again... from our point of vue, i mean from France (lol) Rickenbacker is saw as a big company, such as Fender, and many players here don't understand some specificities.. i lived few years in USA and i saw that it was just a family story. so i understand well some decisions. but some others are quite stupid or too paranoid...btw, i always and still really love theses basses, both for shape and sounds..they ARE the rock'n'roll for me, ..thats why i feel sad when i see theses purists attitudes...
i'm not a collector, even if i got some interesting basses in the past (EKO, HOFNER...) and theses japaneses ricky are a real surprise : i only knew my ibanez 2388b...Shaftesbury or Greco are really unknown here.. i really think that theses basses are under rated : quality is really good, particulary the lutherie work for the necktrough ones...
it seem to be very difficult to find one now. prices are very high and are close to real ricks ! thats why i said that HAll did a mistake...
oh : the seller of the Shaftesbury who had been pulled of ebay just sent me an email to ask i i was interested in its bass ! it remind me the last story i got on ebay... so i guess its the second effect of all what we said : copies are rare and "illegal" so, swindlers are now in the place...

Edited by jihemt, 18 June 2007 - 06:25 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2007 - 10:16 AM

View PostBassassin, on Jun 11 2007, 07:13 PM, said:

Dunno why, but most of the old copies came in that unconvincing yellowy-pink fireglo, or maple. The only ones I can think of which were available in black were Ibanez. You could look out for a later Ibanez copy, which had "proper" Rick-style pickups rather than humbuckers - but they're even rarer than the type you already have.

A guy who used to post on BW/BT (not sure if he came to ChaseBat) had a left-handed one.

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