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Hi guys

In your humble opinins, which is the best 'Entwistle' guitar out there

The Hybrid bass by Dean Guitars: http://www.deanguitars.com/query?upc=819998175542

The Spider bass by Dean Guitars: http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-john-entwistle-spider-bass-classic-black/98416?gclid=CjwKEAiApYGyBRC-g_jIstuduV8SJABCEzhZ71Zc_t5a5jFim-YujE6S02IzPOgvROSRmc3qCMmACBoCPIPw_wcB

The Frankenstein bass by the Bass Centre: http://www.basscentre.com/british-bass-masters/the-bass-centre-frankenstein-bass.html

Thanks!

Taran

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[quote name='The-Ox' timestamp='1447062487' post='2904421']
Hi guys

In your humble opinins, which is the best 'Entwistle' guitar out there

The Hybrid bass by Dean Guitars: [url="http://www.deanguitars.com/query?upc=819998175542"]http://www.deanguita...pc=819998175542[/url]

The Spider bass by Dean Guitars: [url="http://www.gak.co.uk/en/dean-john-entwistle-spider-bass-classic-black/98416?gclid=CjwKEAiApYGyBRC-g_jIstuduV8SJABCEzhZ71Zc_t5a5jFim-YujE6S02IzPOgvROSRmc3qCMmACBoCPIPw_wcB"]http://www.gak.co.uk...MmACBoCPIPw_wcB[/url]

The Frankenstein bass by the Bass Centre: [url="http://www.basscentre.com/british-bass-masters/the-bass-centre-frankenstein-bass.html"]http://www.basscentr...stein-bass.html[/url]

Thanks!

Taran
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I've never played the Bass Centre bass but it appears to be a tribute in appearance and nothing else.
The Dean basses are just shameless cash-ins, both of which look vaguely similar to basses Entwistle used to play and are completely different on the electronics front.

[quote name='Bigwan' timestamp='1447069075' post='2904499']
[url="http://cataldobasses.com/JAEbird.html"]http://cataldobasses.com/JAEbird.html[/url]
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I'll echo this - I own a Cataldo Jaebird and it is utterly superb. An extremely close replica of Entiwistle's Fenderbirds, and the Thunderbucker pickups are just incredible.

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[quote name='The-Ox' timestamp='1447079657' post='2904635']
wow never heard of that Jaebird, will give it a try thanks!

Cosmo Valdemar, which era does the tone replciate the most for you? I'd imagine the 70s, but pre or post Quadrophenia? He played a P bass on Quad didn't he?
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JE played a standard Thunderbird on Who's Next and, as far as I know, the Fenderbirds on Quadrophenia. It's difficult to tell by sound alone as they have the same pickups and guts. It's definitely the Gibson tone on both though. This was during JE's bassy phase when he was fed up with using so much treble.

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QbCNVxBTNo

Here's a clip of an early Cataldo bass being played, very well I should add, with a treblier, driven sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I17XWY3kBxk

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That bass collection bass is not even close to a tribute!

The original bass was a slab body and alder. There one is contoured and basswood. So one of the major components is completely wrong. That is so very lazy.

It was also only salmon pink right at the end. He had it refinished fairly close to 'retiring it', when he moved on to the fenderbirds. It was sunburst for all of the important work it did like Live at Leeds and Tommy. The best look at it I've found is on the rock & roll circus performance -

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0JHM0Q8JKQ"]https://www.youtube....h?v=R0JHM0Q8JKQ[/url]

He also described the pickups he used, from the 66 slab basses, as being a bit hotter and distorting more when pushed. You'd therefore want a hot vintage voiced pickup. Bareknuckle do a 58' P pickup that's fairly good, and the kent armstrong hot vintage would probably get you close too. I've managed to sort of get the sound with an SD QPB.

Also rotosounds. Nothing but rotosounds.

And Cosmo, that is a superb tone.

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[quote name='The-Ox' timestamp='1447111101' post='2905051']
thanks! Great tone I must admit, I saw a few reviews criticizing the cataldo's but I like what I see so far

how much did yours cost (including shipping)?

I'm torn between the explorerbird or the jaebird, your thoughts? I appreciate your input :)
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Their are a few harsh reviews online but they are for Carlo's very early attempts, which were a little rough round the edges but were also being sold for a ridiculously low price, it should be remembered.
His current work is excellent and has a far higher build quality and far superior hardware and electronics. I've owned two of the JAEbirds, both purchased from here second hand, and the current one I own is a better instrument than the old one.
I can't imagine there being much of a sound difference between the JAEbird and the Explorerbird so it's really just down to aethetics and playing comfort. My JAEbird is very light and balances perfectly - the Explorerbird looks cool as hell but I imagine it being a little cumbersome! The hardcase is huge as well.

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It depends what sort of thing you want really. The Live at Leeds is easiest to copy in terms of sound and gear.

Personally, I find this Bass Collection bass immensely distasteful. Yeah, John used to play basses made of basswood. Not. At least if you're going to copy something do it properly!!

As for the Dean basses, I've tried a few of them and they're crap. The limited edition is not bad, but it's not an Alembic so what's the point? Well, the answer to that question is that Chris Entwistle can license his dad's name onto any bass for some quick pile of cash. I gather the Wickershams at Alembic weren't amused, but as with the Warwick and Status buzzards, anyone who's ever played both variants (as I have) knows that the Warwick version is totally inferior in almost every way just as the Dean is a 9th rate cousin to the Alembic it has ripped off in the most brazen way.

Were it me, I'd be getting a Cataldo (and I have considered it in the past actually). Not that I've ever played one, but sound samples I've heard sound great. As long as they're put together right, I'd imagine they'd be very, good instruments. More than likely because the pickups have some serious kick.

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[quote name='Wolverinebass' timestamp='1447249046' post='2906099']
Were it me, I'd be getting a Cataldo (and I have considered it in the past actually). Not that I've ever played one, but sound samples I've heard sound great. As long as they're put together right, I'd imagine they'd be very, good instruments. More than likely because the pickups have some serious kick.
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Next time you're around SE London/Kent pop round and have a go on mine! Bring Buzzards :lol:

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[quote name='Wolverinebass' timestamp='1447249046' post='2906099']
the Dean is a 9th rate cousin to the Alembic it has ripped off in the most brazen way.
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Perhaps...but at approximately a 20th of the price it gives those with very little disposable income (most of us) the opportunity to get at least a 9th of the Alembic vibe.

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[quote name='White Cloud' timestamp='1447365321' post='2907180']
Perhaps...but at approximately a 20th of the price it gives those with very little disposable income (most of us) the opportunity to get at least a 9th of the Alembic vibe.
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Funnily enough, my point of a "9th rate copy" was actually slightly more right than I knew. A Dean spider costs £2500 or so. An Alembic re-issue spyder costs $15500. So, call it £16000. Those aren't completely accurate copies as John's Explorers were basically just normal signature electronics with a second master volume knob for a boost with series pickups. The reissues don't have the same pickups or 2nd master volume. That's aside from the various other profile idiosyncracies which he asked for at the time such as a flat fretboard to name but one.

Even if it were a series 2 Alembic that would be 10 times more than the Dean, not 20 times more.

However, it's worth noting that you'd probably be able to get a 2nd hand series 1 Alembic from say the 1980's for £2800. There are a few that pop up reasonably often. It's in effect that same sound and given the choice of one of them as compared to the Dean, it's no choice at all. Especially if you're comparing like for like in pricing situation.

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well that's confirmed Cataldo for me then! Only problem is there's a price hike in Jan, and I don't think I can quite afford it just yet! How does the low action feel on them? What strings are on there too?

Also Wolverinebass, whats that Status Graphite like?

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[quote name='Wolverinebass' timestamp='1447406435' post='2907345']
An Alembic re-issue spyder costs $15500. So, call it £[u]16000[/u]. Even if it were a series 2 Alembic that would be 10 times more than the Dean, not 20 times more.
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Yes, however the cheaper Dean explorer featured in the OP's original post is priced at £775....we aren't discussing the higher priced Dean explorer.

775 x 20 = 1550

Just sayin!

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[quote name='White Cloud' timestamp='1447516505' post='2908261']

Yes, however the cheaper Dean explorer featured in the OP's original post is priced at £775....we aren't discussing the higher priced Dean explorer.

775 x 20 = 1550

Just sayin!
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Apologies mate, I missed that! Such a pity it's black as price wise it's not completely horrific. I doubt you'd get that much alembic similarities out of that though aside from the shape. Just a shameless cash in really.

On the other hand, you could get something more like it by putting in an ACG filter preamp but that's another £200 or so on top. Just a thought.

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[quote name='Wolverinebass' timestamp='1447526200' post='2908379']
Apologies mate, I missed that! Such a pity it's black as price wise it's not completely horrific. I doubt you'd get that much alembic similarities out of that though aside from the shape. Just a shameless cash in really.

On the other hand, you could get something more like it by putting in an ACG filter preamp but that's another £200 or so on top. Just a thought.
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No need to apologise dude, its only rock n roll! :D

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[quote name='Meddle' timestamp='1447535540' post='2908463']




Note the picks stuck in the pickguard. John used pick quite a bit back then, sometimes with palm muting (like the intro to Sparks), but people typecast him as a fingerstyle player.
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I'll second this. At least 50/50 pick and fingers back in the day. His pick technique always gets overlooked which is a pity as it's pretty phenomenal.

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