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Posted 10 June 2007 - 09:18 AM

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I just got a Korg DTR 2000 last week and I'm very pleased with it.


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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:31 PM

I've been using one of the Fender rack ones for the last year and am very impressed. Tunes very quickly and have used it with 4, 5, 6 & 8 string basses with no problems. Its also cool as the leds do a Knight Rider sweep from left to right when you are not playing and a big blue Fender 'F' lights up when you are in tune.
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Posted 15 November 2007 - 12:59 PM

I bought the behringer and found it so bad with both B and E strings I sent it back and shelled out the extra for a korg dtr2000. The only thing 'better' about the behringer was it having 3 lights instead of the korgs 1. As it happens, I have an Eden navigator that lights up like christmas so I never use the tuner racklight anyway.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:06 PM

My Peterson Stroborack arrived a couple of weeks ago. Well what can I say. It's fast, accurate and does a whole load of "sweeteners" and the like, which are a bit beyond my needs, and is much more accurate yet stable/usable. It also has a neat programmable scrolling message function, which has no reason to exist on a tuner, other than it's a cool effect. It's *the* most fantastic piece of kit, but very expensive, so unless you have money to burn, I'd stick with my previous rack tuner, the Korg dtr2000 which I keep in my studio rack now.

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Overall: 7/10 (low only because of price)

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 02:36 PM

View PostGremlinAndy, on Dec 21 2007, 09:06 PM, said:

My Peterson Stroborack arrived a couple of weeks ago. Well what can I say. It's fast, accurate and does a whole load of "sweeteners" and the like, which are a bit beyond my needs, and is much more accurate yet stable/usable. It also has a neat programmable scrolling message function, which has no reason to exist on a tuner, other than it's a cool effect. It's *the* most fantastic piece of kit, but very expensive, so unless you have money to burn, I'd stick with my previous rack tuner, the Korg dtr2000 which I keep in my studio rack now.

Overview:
Looks: 9/10
Build Quality: 9/10
Ease of use: 10/10 (basic use) 5/10 (extended use)
Price/Value for money: 5/10 (so expensive and just does the same job as a *much* cheaper unit)
Overall: 7/10 (low only because of price)

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Some of you guys may have remembered that I ordered a Stroborack back in September last year. Well, it's still not here.

I have however, had a slip through my door saying that I have a parcel that was attempted to be delivered and it would be held at the depot. Not knowing what it was, I entered the tracing figure and saw that the parcel had originated from the distributor I had bought the Peterson Stroborack off. I had no idea when the Peterson tuner was being shipped (I don't know if you guys know, the demand in the states is such that it's way outstripping the supply and as for Europe getting a look in.... anyway....) and so this was a nice surprise.

I got up uber early this morning to get to the depot before work and when I got there you can guess what had happened. Yup. Despite the card saying that it would be available at the depot, it has been reloaded onto the trucks and out it went. I apparently missed it by 5 minutes. Typical.

So it's somewhere out on the road. I seen they have already had a failed delivery at my house. I'm only hoping that it gets back to the depot pretty soon so I can pick it up before the collection points close tonight. I need my new toy!

It's interesting to read GremlinAndy's review above. Give the fact that I paid roughly the same as what a DTR2000 would cost me, I wonder if his overall review figure would change...
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:40 PM

View PostDan_Nailed, on Jun 8 2007, 10:02 AM, said:

I use a Korg DTR-1 which I got for about £60 second hand from the States and it's almost too good. I can never get my basses to go completely in the green, even when tuning with the harmonics. When I get them as close as possible and check the tuning by ear they sound perfectly in, and the tuner is telling me they're still out. It's that precise!


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Posted 04 January 2008 - 05:35 PM

View PostGremlinAndy, on Dec 21 2007, 09:06 PM, said:

My Peterson Stroborack arrived a couple of weeks ago. Well what can I say. It's fast, accurate and does a whole load of "sweeteners" and the like, which are a bit beyond my needs, and is much more accurate yet stable/usable. It also has a neat programmable scrolling message function, which has no reason to exist on a tuner, other than it's a cool effect. It's *the* most fantastic piece of kit, but very expensive, so unless you have money to burn, I'd stick with my previous rack tuner, the Korg dtr2000 which I keep in my studio rack now.

Overview:
Looks: 9/10
Build Quality: 9/10
Ease of use: 10/10 (basic use) 5/10 (extended use)
Price/Value for money: 5/10 (so expensive and just does the same job as a *much* cheaper unit)
Overall: 7/10 (low only because of price)

Andy

Can I ask where you got yours from please Andy?
I already have a DTR2000 in my rack - then I got a Peterson VS-1 for set-ups (2nd hand on eBay from Roger Sadowsky of all people!) - but it's so good that I'm VERY tempted to replace the Korg with a Strobrack.
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:23 PM

View Post99ster, on Jan 4 2008, 05:35 PM, said:

Can I ask where you got yours from please Andy?
I already have a DTR2000 in my rack - then I got a Peterson VS-1 for set-ups (2nd hand on eBay from Roger Sadowsky of all people!) - but it's so good that I'm VERY tempted to replace the Korg with a Strobrack.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:29 PM

OK - so the Stroborack is here.

It certainly lives up to expectations... given the deal (roughly the same as the Korg DTR2000) that I got on it, I am more than happy and it really is a killer piece of kit! I loves it!!

It simply is the best tuner I have ever had. Bar none.

Went out and got a latched pedal for it. Silent tuning on stage - yay! And with the nifty screen saver, I can keep people entertained when the band decides to play something slow and boring...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:31 PM

View Post99ster, on Jan 4 2008, 05:35 PM, said:

Can I ask where you got yours from please Andy?
I already have a DTR2000 in my rack - then I got a Peterson VS-1 for set-ups (2nd hand on eBay from Roger Sadowsky of all people!) - but it's so good that I'm VERY tempted to replace the Korg with a Strobrack.

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We only sell the best tuners available period and that's Peterson. Any pro tech worth his salt and wanting to be taken seriously won't turn up for the tour without a Peterson unit - it's the de facto standard in the pro realm simply because they are the most accurate tuners in the world and tuning is sometwhat fundamental to our 'fav' occupation of making sounds that hopefully the audience will appreciate!

We're going to place another order on Peterson in the not too distant future so if anyone of you 'real and genuine' Basschaters are interested we could perhaps put together a special price and deal for you. Obviously, the more of you that join in the better the price we could offer you. Let's us know what you are looking (Peterson product) for asap.

Just some thoughts....

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 08:05 PM

PS - the sweetners sound fantastic. My guitars are sounding better than ever, especially my acoustic.
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 08:45 PM

View PostEBS_freak, on Jan 5 2008, 08:05 PM, said:

PS - the sweetners sound fantastic. My guitars are sounding better than ever, especially my acoustic.

EBS Freak is absolutely on the button. After your instrument, strings and amplification (and a good back!), a Peterson tuner is the best investment in your music gear you can make for any instrument you own and Peterson's own sweetened tuning are simply brill!!.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 09:35 PM

View PostSMART, on Jan 5 2008, 07:31 PM, said:

We only sell the best tuners..

We're going to place another order.....


Who's 'we' ? Are you a store? Have I missed something?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 10:20 PM

View PostMuppet, on Jan 5 2008, 09:35 PM, said:

Who's 'we' ? Are you a store? Have I missed something?

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 05:45 PM

View PostSMART, on Jan 5 2008, 07:31 PM, said:

We're going to place another order on Peterson in the not too distant future so if anyone of you 'real and genuine' Basschaters are interested we could perhaps put together a special price and deal for you. Obviously, the more of you that join in the better the price we could offer you. Let's us know what you are looking (Peterson product) for asap.

Just some thoughts....

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I am definitely interested in the Stroborack especially if you can do a special "Basschat deal"
Keep us all informed please!

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 06:00 PM

I may be up for a slice of that action ;0)

P.s what's this 'sweetening' business??
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Posted 06 January 2008 - 09:15 PM

View PostBigRedX, on Jan 6 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

I am definitely interested in the Stroborack especially if you can do a special "Basschat deal"
Keep us all informed please!

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 09:15 PM

View PostBigRedX, on Jan 6 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

I am definitely interested in the Stroborack especially if you can do a special "Basschat deal"
Keep us all informed please!

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"I returned to music through machines. The difference is that the machines are clean, and the machines are not corrupted. What I create here cannot hurt people, but you can bring an impure musician to play in your studio and create your own doom." - Lee 'Scratch' Perry
"The notes I handle no better than many pianists. But the pauses between the notes, ah, that is where the art resides." - Artur Schnabel
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 11:03 AM

View Postped, on Jan 6 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

I may be up for a slice of that action ;0)

P.s what's this 'sweetening' business??

Dude, read about temperament and pure tuning and you'll get the idea.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:20 AM

http://www.petersont...a...y=85&sub=59
http://www.petersont...a...y=14&sub=90
http://www.petersont...a...y=85&sub=58

I sent these links to Ped for explaining the "sweetned" tunings...

Anyway, I've had this tuner for a good few days and done a couple of gigs with it now. I have to say, I believe this is one of the best bits of gear ever. It's great because not only is the tuning process dead simple but because people are commenting on the "screensaver" - I think I am going to have to write random messages for each gig... well, until I get bored anyway.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 07:49 PM

Has anyone tried the floor stompy version of the Peterson?

I doont have and doubt if I will ever have a rack as my Mesa is just to cute to be bound by a rack, however the tuners have the best reputation I just wondered about having a stopm verison instead.....
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:59 AM

View PostThe Burpster, on Jan 9 2008, 07:49 PM, said:

Has anyone tried the floor stompy version of the Peterson?

I doont have and doubt if I will ever have a rack as my Mesa is just to cute to be bound by a rack, however the tuners have the best reputation I just wondered about having a stopm verison instead.....

Stomp version is near as enough damn it the same... but obviously without all the inputs, outputs... oh - and the screensaver!
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:28 PM

We're going to place another order on Peterson in the not too distant future so if anyone of you 'real and genuine' Basschaters are interested we could perhaps put together a special price and deal for you. Obviously, the more of you that join in the better the price we could offer you. Let's us know what you are looking (Peterson product) for asap.

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Guys

We'll be ordering more StroboStomp 2's as well so let me know if any 'Basschaters' are interested so we bring enough of those over as well.

Deadline for orders is now two weeks from today as the guys at Peterson will be at NAMM and it always takes a tad longer to get thing sorted when it's on. As soon as I have the special prices including UK mainland delivery calculated I'll email each interested party on the forum so we can keep it special amongst ourselves. Capice??

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 10:41 PM

View PostEBS_freak, on Jan 9 2008, 10:20 AM, said:


I'm an idiot and can't understand. Can you explain in idiot language?

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 11:14 PM

View PostMuppet, on Jan 13 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

I'm an idiot and can't understand. Can you explain in idiot language?

Unfortunately, there is no easy two sentence way of describing this unless you already understand tuning temperaments (unless some 'clever clogs' out there can kindly assist!):

Try this:

Peterson's proprietary GTR™ Sweetened Tuning™ is designed to improve the sound of musical intervals on guitar, especially 4ths and 5ths. By taking advantage of a few coincidences such as the preponderance of 4th and 5th intervals appearing in many chord positions, the particular E-A-D-G-B-E arrangement of standard guitar tuning (and also the half-step down or "dropped" tuning variation), and the less-than-perfect overtones of vibrating strings, Peterson has introduced a number of slight variations which can maximize the tuning quality of chords.

These guitar-specific Sweeteners™, including G5TH and P5TH in the AutoStrobe™ 490-ST, and GTR in the Virtual Strobe™ series, improve tuning in general but are especially important for "power chords" which feature 4th and 5th intervals. To gain maximum benefit from this feature, the guitar should be intonated (string lengths adjusted) using the strobe tuner in Equal preset, and tuned thereafter using the Guitar (GTR) temperament preset.

And this:

Traditional temperaments generally apply to instruments like the piano or organ, where every note can be separately tuned.

What about a guitar, where the frets and intonation are usually set up for equal temperament?

It turns out that significant improvements can be achieved if you set the tuning precisely enough. Peterson's proprietary GTR temperament (one of Peterson's many Sweetened Tunings™) is designed to improve the sound of musical intervals on standard and "drop tuned" guitars (EADGBE or one half-step below these), especially the 4th and 5th intervals. This improvement is most noticeable when playing in overdriven mode, where the guitar’s resulting accentuated overtones normally clash when tuned in "standard" equal temperament. The GTR temperament makes discrete adjustments to equal temperament, which has a positive effect on the overall sound.

And you really need to understand how notes on a scale are spaced and behave to understand the positive benefits of Peterson's Sweetened Tunings:

It is perhaps a cruel joke on all of us to be given such remarkable sensitivity in judging musical pitch intervals between simultaneous sounds. The mathematics of positioning (tempering) 12 scale notes in an octave prevents any more than a handful of perfectly harmonious chords for any one tuning of those notes (temperament). We have limited options:
1. We can equally space the 12 notes in the octaves so that chords of each given type (major, minor, b5#7-9, etc.) sound equally good in all keys. This is called equal temperament, the common "standard" in modern music. Unfortunately, this temperament scheme also guarantees that all chords of a given type sound equally bad! Not even one chord will have intervals that sound exactly in tune!

2. We can purposely shift certain scale notes closer to or farther from their neighbors to make perfect intervals or chords in some places. If we choose wisely, we can make the most important chords in a given key be the perfect ones. This is the concept behind Just Intonation (JST in the Temperament Menu of Peterson tuners). In the key of C, the chords of C major, F major, and G major can each have perfectly harmonious tuning intervals. Unfortunately, other chords, especially those in more remote keys like C# and F#, sound much worse than they would in equal temperament. If an instrument like a piano is tuned in Just Major temperament for the key of C, notes and chords that fall in the C Major scale sound wonderful. Modulating to the key of G, most chords sound good, some not quite as good. If one takes a more adventurous trek into the key of E, say, some real "ear-sores" start to develop in certain chords and intervals. Historically, the clinkers are dubbed "wolf tones" which gives some indication of their "charm".

3. Between the extremes given above, there are countless compromises. Why not settle for some nearly perfect chords in the most popular key signatures, while keeping the "wolves" at bay in the less traveled ones? There are about as many such "well tempered" scales as there have been minds conceiving of them. Every temperament generally takes the name of its earliest inventor or biggest proponent. Some of the more successful ones, like Werkmeister (WRK), Young (YNG), Kirnberger (KRN), and Kellner (KLN), are included in current models of Peterson tuners. Besides stock historic temperaments, Peterson Virtual Strobe™ Tuners also feature unique instrument-specific temperaments such as GTR™ for guitar, BAS for bass, and (VS-II/V-SAM™ only) E9 & C6 tempered tuning for pedal steel guitar. The VS-S StroboStomp™ pedal tuner/DI also features four optimized Buzz Feiten Tuning System® presets for electric guitar, acoustic guitar, bass guitar and 12-string guitar. All Peterson tuners (except the VS-1) are user- programmable, allowing the saving of up to 244 user temperaments to memory. The V-SAM allows you to adjust any temperament to any one of 12 roots, making these temperaments available in any specific key.

I do hope this helps.

Ciao

Ian

PS Sweetened Tunings in short get the very best out of your instrument

Edited by SMART, 13 January 2008 - 11:15 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2008 - 05:26 PM

View PostBigRedX, on Jan 6 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

I am definitely interested in the Stroborack especially if you can do a special "Basschat deal"
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Posted 14 January 2008 - 06:44 PM

View Postbassmandan, on Jan 14 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

+1 ..... some toerag lifted my DTR2000 from a gig a few months back and I need to replace it with like, or better. Do we have a 'ball park' notion of what kinda BC price is likely yet?

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Posted 14 January 2008 - 06:44 PM

SWR have got a rackmount tuner in the latest issue of bass player.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 11:33 AM

View PostHit&Run, on Jan 14 2008, 06:44 PM, said:

SWR have got a rackmount tuner in the latest issue of bass player.


SWR tuner here -

http://www.swrsound.com/products/search.ph...rtno=4485000000

- looks quite meaty. Anybody know the price?

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