funkle Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Very nice Pmjos. The review should be interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 [quote name='pmjos' timestamp='1478887551' post='3172519'] Update. My F112 arrives Sunday. I have decided it somewhat unfashionably to pair it with a Warwick LWA1000. I decided on the Warwick because firstly it provides the power secondly its not 'ice' equipped and has an honest RMS output, thirdly twin channels as I play EUB and bass G, finally I always liked Warwick amps. I will report. [/quote]Not ICE equipped? However it is class D! Do you know what power section is inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 [quote name='pmjos' timestamp='1478887551' post='3172519'] Update. My F112 arrives Sunday. I have decided it somewhat unfashionably to pair it with a Warwick LWA1000. I decided on the Warwick because firstly it provides the power secondly its not 'ice' equipped and has an honest RMS output, thirdly twin channels as I play EUB and bass G, finally I always liked Warwick amps. I will report. [/quote]Not ICE equipped? However it is class D! Do you know what power section is inside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 [quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1478955312' post='3172927'] Not ICE equipped? However it is class D! Do you know what power section is inside? [/quote] I chuckled at that too, not Ice equipped being used as a positive confused me a little... Of course, the module is just one small part of how the Class D head will perform, hence why some sound MUCH better than others despite having similar modules. Much misconception about this knocking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmjos Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 I chose this amp for the Class A twin I/P and I like the design of the Pascal module. It is simply a better module in my humble opinion. As to whether the product is better - I'll let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 [quote name='pmjos' timestamp='1479078408' post='3173824'] I chose this amp for the Class A twin I/P and I like the design of the Pascal module. It is simply a better module in my humble opinion. As to whether the product is better - I'll let you know. [/quote] I have heard good things about the Warwick heads, and any negatives have been about quality control, mainly on earlier models. I've never ever heard anyone question their power rating, which is rare for these kinds of amps! I have to say, I am quite keen to hear how you get on, if I had the money I'd probably have a very similar set up! Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmjos Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 OK, this was the Rig Friday Night.............. Amp: Warwick LWA 1000 The twin channels on the Warwick - invaluable - for me - changeover momentary Volume way more than I will need- 100% clean - no overdrive here Tone very, very transparent - Plug anything in - that's what you get out Character is not something this amp screams at you, it is just really clean, efficient and quiet Tone shaping is a little 'clinical' - absolutely functional completely colourless Compressor is very effective and you don't loose any tone or definition The DI is spot on Build quality seems flawless, solid, well constructed Cab: Tricky Audio Greenboy F112 Wedge style very useful! Build quality very good except for grille. Tricky sending me a new one no arguments Sound very transparent and full but not as deep as my AER amp 3 The cab is very new so I want to let it loosen up a bit first before I give an opinion The full range was really notable when using effects - I had to back some down Overall. A really good option for me as a more powerful compact rig but I have been used to more 'colour' from my other rigs so it will take a while for me to get a real handle on it much like my AER but once I do, I can't see anything doing much better in a compact format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPJ Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Surprised to hear F112 and "not deep" in the same sentence... Yes, maybe get played in a bit. If you have access to other amps, try them too. I've found that the F112 reflects the type of amp used so if an amp is "focused" with no real preshape, like an AI Focus, you need to dial in the depth with EQ or a pedal. The MB800 seems to already have that and I usually turn the bass down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 How were you stopping the head from falling off the cab? Is it leaning against the box behind it or ia there something else going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmjos Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 TPJ, Graham.... Like I said I have only just got the rig so its too early to make popper comparison. The one I did make was with my AER amp 3 which has a truly massive low end but made fo a smaller environment. This was different, I was in a much larger venue and the sound was big and loud. The cab is not run in yet and so until it is its not a fair test. As for the amp on the wedge, nice rubber feet on the amp hung over the edge. I did put my AER behind it because I was on the back of a riser and was worried it might fall off. No worries stayed put the whole night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 I just got a hold of 2 secondhand F112s. The flatness of them caught me out a little after being used to my Bergs. And I have no doubt that it has absolutely huge lows with my Puma 900. I have to turn them town considerably. This cab has bigger lows than the Acme 2x10 I used to own and the Audiokinesis TC112, neither of which were shy in the lows department. They are huge. I'm pretty sure I'll have to turn down lows most places I use this cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Using modelled amps from my Zoom B3 pedal completely changes how the cab sounds. Back to being a Bass cab as opposed to a PA cab. And I couldn't get the cab to fart with max output from the Puma 900 and slapping a B string. Huge huge volume and low end. I even cranked the lows up to really whack it. The Bass control is centred at 30 Hz. It isn't designed to be turned up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 [quote name='pmjos' timestamp='1480271392' post='3182993'] As for the amp on the wedge, nice rubber feet on the amp hung over the edge. I did put my AER behind it because I was on the back of a riser and was worried it might fall off. No worries stayed put the whole night. [/quote] Cheers I rather like the idea of tilted back cabs, but always wondered about keeping the head attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmjos Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 Thought I would update this having has the F112 for a while. I matched it with a Warwick LWA1000. I wasn't expecting the sound to be as neutral as it was and to be honest at first I didn't like it. However as I got the hang of it and began to drive the 'colour' from my various basses I have really come to appreciate the difference you get from just plugging in a different instrument. Sounds obvious really but to some extent I have been used to plugging in basses and trying to make them sound different. With this you don't have to, not one bit. Put a P bass in and you get P bass, and EUB it sounds like and EUB. You get the idea. The rig is small , flexible and very loud but I prefer to use mine at lower levels and going out through the front of house.The cab is properly full range and responds across the whole spectrum. I did say it didn't have as much bottom as my AER AMP Three, that remains true. The AER is a sealed cabinet and almost unique for a small combo for thunderous bottom end. However, the F112 rig gets much bigger and loader and doesn't colour the sound. The build of the cab is clean, sturdy and the drivers are of the highest quality. I love the wedge shape. I am very happy with the rig and its a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) [quote name='pmjos' timestamp='1490199228' post='3263183'] Thought I would update this having has the F112 for a while. I matched it with a Warwick LWA1000. I wasn't expecting the sound to be as neutral as it was and to be honest at first I didn't like it. However as I got the hang of it and began to drive the 'colour' from my various basses I have really come to appreciate the difference you get from just plugging in a different instrument. Sounds obvious really but to some extent I have been used to plugging in basses and trying to make them sound different. With this you don't have to, not one bit. Put a P bass in and you get P bass, and EUB it sounds like and EUB. You get the idea. The rig is small , flexible and very loud but I prefer to use mine at lower levels and going out through the front of house.The cab is properly full range and responds across the whole spectrum. I did say it didn't have as much bottom as my AER AMP Three, that remains true. The AER is a sealed cabinet and almost unique for a small combo for thunderous bottom end. However, the F112 rig gets much bigger and loader and doesn't colour the sound. The build of the cab is clean, sturdy and the drivers are of the highest quality. I love the wedge shape. I am very happy with the rig and its a keeper. [/quote]Dave Greenboy really knows how to design a no-compromise cabinet. In fact having learnt so much from the design of the BC 1x12, I think he is one of the few that does it properly. Edited March 23, 2017 by Chienmortbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I also went through a phase of missing the voicing of typical bass cabinets. The F112 is pretty even in response. I would say it has a huge low end, more than enough for just about anybody. I'm getting used to the cab now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The speaker used in the F112 certainly woofs very well indeed. Interestingly though, the Beyma SM212 we used in the BC 1x12 DIY cab goes just as low. I have both here and have measured them in the same cab. If I didn't roll my own, Greenboy's creations would definitely be at the top of my wish list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Culture Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 [quote name='Graham' timestamp='1480275847' post='3183040'] Cheers I rather like the idea of tilted back cabs, but always wondered about keeping the head attached. [/quote] I discussed with the folks at Tricky the possibility of attaching a batten to the top surface, somewhere for the amp feet to locate in front to stop it slipping back, when I was speccing out a cab with them. They were most amenable and would, I'm sure, attach something along those lines if it was requested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 [quote name='stevie' timestamp='1490284375' post='3263951'] The speaker used in the F112 certainly woofs very well indeed. Interestingly though, the Beyma SM212 we used in the BC 1x12 DIY cab goes just as low. I have both here and have measured them in the same cab. If I didn't roll my own, Greenboy's creations would definitely be at the top of my wish list. [/quote] The BC 1x12 is going to be one heck of a cabinet then. There are some incredible lows out of the F112. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Again with the original Basschat 12 design which I've been gigging with for over a year it takes some getting used to. With a flat but extended bass response and no upper mid peak as per the majority of bass cabs it is odd sounding at first but responds really well to eq tweaking. Starting with no colour or very little lets you get to the colour you want. If your cab is coloured then it is going to be difficult to dial that out completely. It's a whole different philosophy to design, a cab whose design will give you 'your' sound and which effectively becomes part of your instrument or go for something that is flexible enough to dial in the sound you want. Ironically having designed a neutral sounding cab I dial in something not too dissimilar to an Ampeg sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkle Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 [quote name='Phil Starr' timestamp='1490286007' post='3263971'] Again with the original Basschat 12 design which I've been gigging with for over a year it takes some getting used to. With a flat but extended bass response and no upper mid peak as per the majority of bass cabs it is odd sounding at first but responds really well to eq tweaking. Starting with no colour or very little lets you get to the colour you want. If your cab is coloured then it is going to be difficult to dial that out completely. It's a whole different philosophy to design, a cab whose design will give you 'your' sound and which effectively becomes part of your instrument or go for something that is flexible enough to dial in the sound you want. Ironically having designed a neutral sounding cab I dial in something not too dissimilar to an Ampeg sound [/quote] Same. I put a pedal in front of it for colour - Zoom B3 - and use the Fliptop or SVT modes. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 [quote name='funkle' timestamp='1490285779' post='3263970'] The BC 1x12 is going to be one heck of a cabinet then. There are some incredible lows out of the F112. [/quote]Once I finish mine, assuming I get rid of the bug I currently have, I will be taking it to the South West Bass Bash. Hopefully there will be some feedback from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) [quote name='funkle' timestamp='1490286381' post='3263977'] Same. I put a pedal in front of it for colour - Zoom B3 - and use the Fliptop or SVT modes. Haha [/quote] Like That's the point of some of the newer designs, you can do that successfully, they give you choice. I'd imagine the Greenboy would be the same and the Mk2 design would be more flexible than the Mk1. There is a certain irony in making your hi-tech cab sound old school. Good for the back though Edited March 24, 2017 by Phil Starr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 [quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1490313499' post='3264307'] Hopefully there will be some feedback from there. [/quote] So many opportunities for poor jokes here, but I am a grown up so will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 [quote name='owen' timestamp='1490346682' post='3264422'] So many opportunities for poor jokes here, but I am a grown up so will not. [/quote]Ouch/ There may be a howl (round) from some of out transatlantic cousins over that pun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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