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Posted 24 September 2016 - 06:16 PM

I see Trevor Barry from the Strictly band is an ASAT player.
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Posted 24 September 2016 - 06:38 PM

View Postgary mac, on 24 September 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

I was concerned about the lack of a tone control but my worries were unfounded, I reckon Leo got it right. After a little experimenting and blending of the two volumes, I could get all the tonal variations that I wanted. :)

Yes spot on! Such an easy bass to dial in and sounds so good once you do it. I got mine in a trade and after about an hour knew it was staying. Virtually every time some-one plays it or I take it out I get complements about the tone
I also love the controls and switch system on the L2000. They are simple and effective to use when compared to some other basses I have had. They just sing!

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 09:46 PM

and these clips are is soooo cool

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:17 PM

View Postmolan, on 24 September 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

I don't think Ed Roman's famous rant about G&L build quality helped their reputation much.

"I hereby rescind any positive recommendations I have made regarding G&L instruments. I hereby will no longer recommend the G&L product to my customers. And I will buy back any G&L guitar that was purchased from me within a two year period for full price paid"

He was always something of a maverick but was one of the biggest names in US guitar retailing and offering to buy back any G&L he'd sold was a pretty big knock.

I must admit that we tried stocking them for a while at BassGear and they were very slow moving so we delisted them.

Sounds like a blowhard with a chip on his shoulder to me. The truth usually lies somewhere between the extremes of this guy on one side and slavish fanbois who will stomp on you (in the Internet words sense) if you dare say anything negative about the motherbrand on the other - EBMM forum springs to mind ;)

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:22 PM

View Postneepheid, on 25 September 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

Sounds like a blowhard with a chip on his shoulder to me. The truth usually lies somewhere between the extremes of this guy on one side and slavish fanbois who will stomp on you (in the Internet words sense) if you dare say anything negative about the motherbrand on the other - EBMM forum springs to mind ;)

I agree although, unfortunately, Ed R was just about the biggest single guitar shop in the States for a while and probably had more influence on the general public than any of the various web forums.

He was a very extreme character and, of course, isn't around any more to rant on stuff like this.
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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:25 PM

Funny G&L story - was sound checking at a gig recently with my Tribute SB-2. Sound guy asks for bass and bloomin well gets it - "is that an active bass?" he asks in a slightly confused voice. That made me smile as I told him it wasn't :)

Not always unknown either. Was setting up for a gig a while back (again it was the SB-2) and the sound guy was on stage too wrestling with cables. He sees my bass and says to me "Ahh, a G&L - the thinking man's Fender" - made me chuckle!

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:34 PM

View Postmolan, on 25 September 2016 - 12:22 PM, said:

I agree although, unfortunately, Ed R was just about the biggest single guitar shop in the States for a while and probably had more influence on the general public than any of the various web forums.

He was a very extreme character and, of course, isn't around any more to rant on stuff like this.

He was also a total crook & was known for selling fakes & forgeries of many high end US guitars & basses.

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:37 PM

View Postneepheid, on 25 September 2016 - 12:25 PM, said:

Funny G&L story - was sound checking at a gig recently with my Tribute SB-2. Sound guy asks for bass and bloomin well gets it - "is that an active bass?" he asks in a slightly confused voice. That made me smile as I told him it wasn't :)

Not always unknown either. Was setting up for a gig a while back (again it was the SB-2) and the sound guy was on stage too wrestling with cables. He sees my bass and says to me "Ahh, a G&L - the thinking man's Fender" - made me chuckle!


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:54 PM

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 12:58 PM

View PostRhysP, on 25 September 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:



He was also a total crook & was known for selling fakes & forgeries of many high end US guitars & basses.

I thought all his copy basses were clearly sold as representations of vintage instruments and not sold illegally?

I know that the Ernie Ball company threatened him with legal action after he was building replacement bodies for some of their guitars (not basses from what I remember) and he made a public statement apologising if anyone thought his replacements were original parts.

I don't remember ever seeing him being formally indicted for anything though and the US is particularly litigious :(


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 12:14 PM

It's true they are really not well-known. Great basses though. I had an L2000 fretless for a few years but it was sadly destroyed in a house fire. Wonderful instrument.

My ASAT bass is basically the same thing in a different shape (oh and with frets). Again, superb. When I bought that about a year ago, I went into the bass shop without an upper limit on what I was willing to spend. The G&L beat rivals costing 2 or 3 times the price (some of which was down to lack of available sounds, but often it was just inferior workmanship and playability).
I tried a Tribute also that day, and was absolutely astounded at how good that was for the money.

I have an ASAT Classic S guitar also. Now that thing is an absolute joy. I know two guitarists who currently are looking to source a G&L on the strength of playing that (one of them wasn't even plugged in).
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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:19 PM

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:33 PM

http://www.glguitars...loton/index.asp

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:38 AM

View Postscalpy, on 26 September 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

http://www.glguitars...loton/index.asp Another stingray killer loose.

That's an interesting bass. The "emerald blue"/black with maple fingerboard looks very tasty. Hmmm. Kiloton, eh?

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 11:57 AM

Some great looking basses and guitars on the G&L site,
If I could afford it I would love an asat guitar, next on my list I think.

Edited by funkgod, 27 September 2016 - 01:34 PM.


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 03:03 PM

View PoststingrayPete1977, on 24 September 2016 - 07:23 AM, said:

Don't tell the class D naysayers as he appears to have a great sound with a Genz head, what a fool, if only he knew about all the heft he was missing out on! :D

View Postmcnach, on 24 September 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

what does he know? didn't you notice he was using a Barefaced cab? Clearly no idea... :rolleyes: :P

Naah... those two are for show only. There is a big SVT behind the curtain, plugged into that big heavy 4x10 :)
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Posted 27 September 2016 - 04:49 PM

View Postfunkgod, on 27 September 2016 - 11:57 AM, said:

Some great looking basses and guitars on the G&L site,
If I could afford it I would love an asat guitar, next on my list I think.


hey, what happened to the amazing post you had before!? :lol:

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 08:52 PM

View Postmcnach, on 27 September 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

hey, what happened to the amazing post you had before!? :lol:

i edited it, and thought i had posted 2 the same, so i edited 1 of them to the post above only to realise after i pressed
post i had lost it, i was so miffed i could not be bothered to do it again :(
bugger :lol:

Edited by funkgod, 27 September 2016 - 09:13 PM.


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 12:03 AM

View Postfunkgod, on 27 September 2016 - 08:52 PM, said:

i edited it, and thought i had posted 2 the same, so i edited 1 of them to the post above only to realise after i pressed
post i had lost it, i was so miffed i could not be bothered to do it again :(
bugger :lol:

shame... it was a great one!

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Posted 30 September 2016 - 08:11 AM

I've got an 80's USA L2000 and I love it. It sustains for days.

Looks more interesting than a standard Fender. More versatile than a standard Musicman. Perfect workhorse basses IMO.

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Posted 30 September 2016 - 10:13 AM

View PostBassApprentice, on 30 September 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

I've got an 80's USA L2000 and I love it. It sustains for days.

Have you tried foam under the strings at the bridge? :P

Edited by mcnach, 30 September 2016 - 10:13 AM.

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(3) Squier Jazz (1994) red, with J-Retro
(4) Maruszczyk Jake 4 P/JJ (2015), natural, maple fingerboard
(5) Fender Precision Classic 50 (2014), fiesta red, maple fingerboard

and also:
Maruszczyk Jake 4 revP (2015), red, maple fingerboard / Maruszczyk Jake 4 Jazz (2017), trans-purple/maple / Squier Precision JJ Matt Freeman (2014) vintage white & maple
JHS Vintage EJM96 Jazz (2005), black/rosewood / Squier Precision Mike Dirnt (2007) olympic white maple / Sue Ryder RP-1 (2011) fretless white /
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Posted 30 September 2016 - 10:23 AM

Love my JB-2 (see me waving it in the selfie thread)!

My four-string fretted needs are covered by a P with flats and a J with rounds, but I never liked the look of the Jazz (offset body, metal control plate). Enter the G&L, problems solved!

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Posted 30 September 2016 - 12:17 PM

View PostConan, on 27 September 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

Naah... those two are for show only. There is a big SVT behind the curtain, plugged into that big heavy 4x10 :)
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Posted 30 September 2016 - 12:46 PM

Their clear orange over a nice piece of plain wood with the "wood binding" is a joy to behold.
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Posted 30 September 2016 - 02:11 PM

Here's a fun thing for all us G&L fanboys. Not an official creator but quite fun to mock up your ideal G&L B)

http://www.glguitarsgenerator.com/
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Posted 30 September 2016 - 02:41 PM

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Here's a fun thing for all us G&L fanboys. Not an official creator but quite fun to mock up your ideal G&L B)

http://www.glguitarsgenerator.com/


fun :)

Just under £1300...

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(1) MusicMan Stingray (2002, 2EQ - now with John East MMSR 3-band preamp), natural with maple fingerboard.
(2) MusicMan SUB (2003, 2EQ). white/rosewood
(3) Squier Jazz (1994) red, with J-Retro
(4) Maruszczyk Jake 4 P/JJ (2015), natural, maple fingerboard
(5) Fender Precision Classic 50 (2014), fiesta red, maple fingerboard

and also:
Maruszczyk Jake 4 revP (2015), red, maple fingerboard / Maruszczyk Jake 4 Jazz (2017), trans-purple/maple / Squier Precision JJ Matt Freeman (2014) vintage white & maple
JHS Vintage EJM96 Jazz (2005), black/rosewood / Squier Precision Mike Dirnt (2007) olympic white maple / Sue Ryder RP-1 (2011) fretless white /
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Posted 30 September 2016 - 04:22 PM

OWWWWWWwwww go on then, It's just so adorable, i can't help showing it off :gas:
I think this 35 year old one is one of only a couple of E series in the uk,

some info on the early L2000E you might find interesting,
Some of this I have not put in the comparison between this and a sabre.

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/190734-79-sabre-v-81-gl-2000e-not-very-distant-brothers/


1) The fingerboard on the Early L2000E and some early L2000 is unstained Ebony not rosewood.
2) Leo curved the finger board bottom like he did on the early fender basses see pic.
3) The L2000E had a skunk stripe down the back of the neck on both maple and ebony boards.
4) Leo also went back to the 3 screw tilt neck, From L2000E and then on to the L2000
5) Slot pole pieces, When you move these 90 Deg slot inline with string or across, it sounds different, slightly.
6) The L2000E and for the first year had "Schaller" stamped tuners, with the norm alloy tuning heads to cut down weight.
7) Like the early Musicmans Leo started the serial numbers off from B00...
8) Series 1 pre amps together with the early slot pickups on the early L2000E the OP is huge so were tamed down as were too powerful
i think the transients from the pups were too much and were blowing chips, anyone with info on this ?

EDIT.....
just found this from a post basses from Leo forum... explains "8" a bit better...

"The first E's had a preamp that did not allow the treble knob to function when the bridge pup is solo'ed. This was due to the early E preamps' chip not being able to handle the hard transients generated by the MFD's. The second generation E preamp was slightly tweaked with capacitors, and allowed the treble control to function in all positions,including the bridge pup solo'ed. E's and later L2000's all used the same preamp from early 1982 to 1992.

Sound differences? Second-gen preamps sound clean and deep, adding big lows and highs that are not harsh or tinny. The bottom end on first-gen preamps can knock down buildings. Nothing sounds as mammoth as a first-gen E in OMG mode, and add in slot pole pickups, you can adversely affect the sperm count of the first 20 rows"
Thanks El tookay.



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Posted 30 September 2016 - 04:27 PM

I love the black...similar to the G&L basses that I'm selling
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Posted 30 September 2016 - 08:50 PM

I have fretted and fretless US L2500's that I use for most gigs. Great sounding solid punchy basses and I love them almost as much as my Wal.

Was in a guitar shop in Ayr that had an M & an L series Tribute in and tried the M, which was fine but despite what others say about the Tribs being as good as the US ones I still prefer my US. It didn't help that after the M I had a noodle on the Wal Geddy they had in and there was just no comparison.

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Posted 30 September 2016 - 08:59 PM

View Postfunkgod, on 30 September 2016 - 04:22 PM, said:

OWWWWWWwwww go on then, It's just so adorable, i can't help showing it off :gas:
I think this is one of only a couple of E series in the uk,

some info on the early L2000E you might find interesting,
Some of this I have not put in the comparison between this and a sabre.

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/190734-79-sabre-v-81-gl-2000e-not-very-distant-brothers/


1) The fingerboard on the Early L2000E and some early L2000 is unstained Ebony not rosewood.
2) Leo curved the finger board bottom like he did on the early fender basses see pic.
3) The L2000E had a skunk stripe down the back of the neck on both maple and ebony boards.
4) Leo also went back to the 3 screw tilt neck, From L2000E and then on to the L2000
5) Slot pole pieces, When you move these 90 Deg slot inline with string or across, it sounds different, slightly.
6) The L2000E and for the first year had "Schaller" stamped tuners, with the norm alloy tuning heads to cut down weight.
7) Like the early Musicmans Leo started the serial numbers off from B00...
8) Series 1 pre amps together with the early slot pickups on the early L2000E the OP is huge so were tamed down as were too powerful
i think the transients from the pups were too much and were blowing chips, anyone with info on this ?

EDIT.....
just found this from a post basses from Leo forum... explains "8" a bit better...

"The first E's had a preamp that did not allow the treble knob to function when the bridge pup is solo'ed. This was due to the early E preamps' chip not being able to handle the hard transients generated by the MFD's. The second generation E preamp was slightly tweaked with capacitors, and allowed the treble control to function in all positions,including the bridge pup solo'ed. E's and later L2000's all used the same preamp from early 1982 to 1992.

Sound differences? Second-gen preamps sound clean and deep, adding big lows and highs that are not harsh or tinny. The bottom end on first-gen preamps can knock down buildings. Nothing sounds as mammoth as a first-gen E in OMG mode, and add in slot pole pickups, you can adversely affect the sperm count of the first 20 rows"
Thanks El tookay.



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Cracking, I like the earlier ones without the eye gouger too although it does look ok with the 5 string layout. I do wonder why he went three bolt though it was never great all THREE times he tried it!
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