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Posted 19 December 2016 - 05:27 PM

Anyone built one of these?

http://schalltechnik04.de/en/kits


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:42 AM

These have been discussed in the DIY Effects thread quite a bit.
I have an Antique (Vintage clone) on my 'bench' at the moment.
Intermediate/advanced kits due to some surface mount components & angled board mounted jacks (due to enclosure angled sides).
Reckon it will sound good though

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:03 AM

Makes you wonder why we have to pay so much for the original.... don't get me wrong I absolutely love my B7K (and B3K before it) and Fuzz, but have always felt they were a tad on the expensive side.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:24 AM

View PostHazBeen, on 20 December 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Makes you wonder why we have to pay so much for the original.... don't get me wrong I absolutely love my B7K (and B3K before it) and Fuzz, but have always felt they were a tad on the expensive side.

I often wonder this in the pedal world, obviously more so with the boutique effects.

I imagine a lot of the costs involved are R&D and setup. But yeah, they are pricey.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:48 AM

I plan to make one some time next year...
The surface mounted bit worries me slightly though...

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 10:39 AM

I think the prices are fair for a boutique maker... If you're producing limited volumes of something that takes a lot of R&D and build effort, you can't make a comfortable living out of it if you price match the mass-produced stuff. I don't think too many will be building these due to their complexity though, so it shouldn't make too big a dent in Doug's pocket!

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 05:27 PM

I fancy trying my luck with one of these... I'd say I was intermediate (at a push lol)
So the drive kit is the B3k?
What's the pumpernickel ??
I think the prices are fair tbh

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 12:08 PM

View PostTuco, on 20 December 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

I fancy trying my luck with one of these... I'd say I was intermediate (at a push lol)
So the drive kit is the B3k?
What's the pumpernickel ??
I think the prices are fair tbh

Not sure about the Pumpernickel without looking, compressor I think?!
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Posted 21 December 2016 - 12:54 PM

Def interested to hear you guys' reviews on this!

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 03:40 PM

View PostTuco, on 20 December 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:


What's the pumpernickel ??

"The Pumpernickel is a dbx160a isnpired compressor, optimized for bass players."
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Posted 21 December 2016 - 04:12 PM

View Postpete.young, on 21 December 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

"The Pumpernickel is a dbx160a isnpired compressor, optimized for bass players."

It looks like a smaller version of the super simetry. 6 knobs and the LED strip to monitor compression.

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 11:13 PM

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Makes you wonder why we have to pay so much for the original.... don't get me wrong I absolutely love my B7K (and B3K before it) and Fuzz, but have always felt they were a tad on the expensive side.

I always get a little confused by comments like this. Somebody can clone a pedal relatively cheaply, so why pay the boutique inventor so much? Hours upon hours upon hours of R&D, designing the circuit, discarding prototypes, all the while not earning a penny for their work, before eventually having a working product. Then, turn that fully working prototype into an end product that can be produced at reasonable volume by your small team, whilst paying them a fair wage . How else do they get the lost income back during the months or years of designing? How else pay for the team, the workshop rent, all the other overheads? Remember, we are not talking about Roland, Digitech etc, we are talking about small handbuilt units. {most} cloners takes a design at its final stage and their costs are simply production, at a rate they can change to order i.e. they will never be out of pocket from the start and as such can sell at a price that will see them make a moderate profit. The smaller ones like this will probably not have a huge workshop, probably don't have a large team of staff to pay and probably wouldn't have bothered making the clone if any period of loss was involved. Some don't even build the things and just sell kits instead!

As it happens, Darkglass prices have continually dropped and dropped ever since they launched the B3K and Harmonic Booster at some £250 each (the current B3K is £199, and that is with the current comparatively awful exchange rate). The latest Ultra series launched at the same price as the Deluxe/B7K series were selling for only months earlier. The amp is, by all accounts, remarkably prices when you consider its specifications and its competitors. Fair play to them :)
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Posted 27 December 2016 - 11:16 PM

View Postdannybuoy, on 19 December 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

Anyone built one of these?

http://schalltechnik04.de/en/kits



Sounds quite good actually , but a good deal fuzzier than the B3K from that video. Not too much of a likeness. I wonder if its is closer to that 3Leaf Darkglass clone that took aspects of the Vintage and B3K for theirs.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 11:29 PM

Made a quick demo of my Guma Antique build for your delectation:

https://youtu.be/RFd51bJM5l0

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 09:32 PM

View PostSibob, on 05 January 2017 - 11:29 PM, said:

Made a quick demo of my Guma Antique build for your delectation:

https://youtu.be/RFd51bJM5l0

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 08:28 AM

Si, how many hours would you say it took? And what's your impression regarding the unit, is it spot on?

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 01:43 PM

 Left Foot, on 27 February 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

Si, how many hours would you say it took? And what's your impression regarding the unit, is it spot on?

I guess it was 2 or 3 hours all told, but I'm not hugely fast haha.
I've not owned a Darkglass Vintage, but someone made a comparison video here:

https://www.youtube....h?v=7CSh1ERo1vE

All I know is that mine sounds great, which probably means the Vintage great :). Weirdly (because I don't get this feeling with other clones), I feel a bit weird about building clones of the Darkglass (I have the Guma Drive on the way to build too), but for me it's not a way of 'getting a cheap Darkglass', it's a way to practice building them and have a cool pedal at the end. I think what Darkglass do is amazing, and long may it continue :).

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 02:34 PM

 Sibob, on 16 March 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

All I know is that mine sounds great, which probably means the Vintage great :). Weirdly (because I don't get this feeling with other clones), I feel a bit weird about building clones of the Darkglass (I have the Guma Drive on the way to build too), but for me it's not a way of 'getting a cheap Darkglass', it's a way to practice building them and have a cool pedal at the end. I think what Darkglass do is amazing, and long may it continue :).

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That's not as long as I thought. I'll check out the schematics - although I'm totally useless at seeing what way around components are placed and generally not built for patient soldering. I get it your sentiment.

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 03:10 PM

Sibob, is the pedal true-bypass? In the pics of the kits they show a DPDT footswitch and not a 3PDT. I'm aware that they may have a millenium bypass in the circuit, hope you can confirm this to me. True-bypass is a must-have for me as i run my pedalboard with a PSU and is part of my signal chain.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:18 AM

 Ghost_Bass, on 16 March 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

Sibob, is the pedal true-bypass? In the pics of the kits they show a DPDT footswitch and not a 3PDT. I'm aware that they may have a millenium bypass in the circuit, hope you can confirm this to me. True-bypass is a must-have for me as i run my pedalboard with a PSU and is part of my signal chain.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:15 PM

It has a relay in it, so I am assuming that is what that is for.

I am just building one at the moment, and by 'at the moment' I mean it is actually between me and the keyboard!

I have most of the circuit done but I am just trying to make the box nice.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:51 PM

I've had a Guma-drive arrive too, don't know when I'll get a chance to build it though....rainy day project :)

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 07:38 PM

Finally got round to finishing mine - very happy with it. I could have had it done earlier but I went a bit overboard on the box!

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 08:55 PM

And I can confirm that they are true bypass as I connected it up, it was working, I pressed the footpedal and it went quiet. Then I realised I had the input / output leads the wrong way round!
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Posted 27 March 2017 - 08:49 AM

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Finally got round to finishing mine - very happy with it. I could have had it done earlier but I went a bit overboard on the box!

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 09:50 AM

Yes, although I had assistance from someone with the artwork. There is a guy who runs a site called paisley power who does paisley artwork, and the background with the rats is one of his designs. He sent me the master design for it as I want to put it on a bass, so I used that as a base, did the writing on it, the. Sprayed the case (about 10 times!) and did a water slide for the black.
Just wanted to get experience painting before I did a bass.

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 10:00 AM

 Woodinblack, on 27 March 2017 - 09:50 AM, said:

Yes, although I had assistance from someone with the artwork. There is a guy who runs a site called paisley power who does paisley artwork, and the background with the rats is one of his designs. He sent me the master design for it as I want to put it on a bass, so I used that as a base, did the writing on it, the. Sprayed the case (about 10 times!) and did a water slide for the black.
Just wanted to get experience painting before I did a bass.

Considering I have no talent doing that I think it came out well

Yeah really cool, will have to check him out for my Guma Drive artwork perhaps :)

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Posted 27 March 2017 - 07:14 PM

 Sibob, on 27 March 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

Yeah really cool, will have to check him out for my Guma Drive artwork perhaps :)

The background image is his. I took the SVG on the website for the guma drive, changed the fonts and a bit of the layout and just used the image as a background, moving it round to get bits in the right place. Inkscape is quite good for that. Then printed onto waterslide. Took a few goes to work out the right way to do it, but still came out pretty well I think.
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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:42 PM

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The background image is his. I took the SVG on the website for the guma drive, changed the fonts and a bit of the layout and just used the image as a background, moving it round to get bits in the right place. Inkscape is quite good for that. Then printed onto waterslide. Took a few goes to work out the right way to do it, but still came out pretty well I think.

How's the noise on your pedal? I've been seriously thinking about ordering the B3K clone for me as my B3K doesn't like to fed by the PSU and hisses a awfull lot. I'd rather build a quieter clone to use a separate PSU just for one pedal.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:59 PM

Its one of the few things that I don't have issues with. Now I have got a cheap chinese knock off power supply, and have put the Zoom B3 and the wireless on their own high power channels, it is pretty quiet, I had noise before.
There is obviously a little bit of background hiss at high gain levels because it is a high gain device, but nothing beyond what you would expect for any distortion pedal. Certainly no power supply noise.
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