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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:34 PM

View Postla bam, on 04 January 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

I remember being 20 in the mid 90s when pub gigs and drinking was at its height.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:00 AM

View Postla bam, on 04 January 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

Id struggle to name 10 current bands!

My dad would have struggled to name 10 current bands in the 80s/90s for the same reason, and it isn't because they aren't any.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 04:18 PM

Yes, but current music was being played in the pubs....it isn't now from what I see. The odd track, yes, but two sets of it?

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 04:20 PM

I doubt that I could name one single 'top 20' band from the last 30 years, just not my sort of music, never has been.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 04:38 PM

View Postla bam, on 05 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Yes, but current music was being played in the pubs....it isn't now from what I see. The odd track, yes, but two sets of it?

Que: The rise of the female vocalist with pa and backing tracks.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:14 PM

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Judging by the younger people I know going to the pub just isn't the done thing anymore.

Yep, the young-nation at my workplace all seem so sensible in comparison to how daft me and my mates were at their age. Every minute possible we spent in the pubs getting as langered as possible, but they seem to go out for a quiet drink once in a while.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:22 PM

If mine are anything to go by, the competition from 183 channels of complete crap on cable TV PLUS millions of aliens needing to be slaughtered on X-Box PLUS hundreds of supposed 'friends' to interact with on Facebook pretty much wipe out their spare time.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:05 PM

View PoststingrayPete1977, on 04 January 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

The world moves on, why aren't we all at the ballroom on a sunday afternoon anymore? There will always be a few people that keep genres alive along with suitable venues in some cases but will there be bands full of fifty year old blokes playing Hey Joe forever in every town? Maybe,maybe not.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:05 PM

View PoststingrayPete1977, on 04 January 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

The world moves on, why aren't we all at the ballroom on a sunday afternoon anymore? There will always be a few people that keep genres alive along with suitable venues in some cases but will there be bands full of fifty year old blokes playing Hey Joe forever in every town? Maybe,maybe not.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 07:15 AM

There are an increasing number of bands chasing a decreasing audience.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:10 AM

View PostMarvin, on 06 January 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

There are an increasing number of bands chasing a decreasing audience.

That's kind of my point, though I think in reality what is happening is that the audience is decreasing a little faster than the number of bands. There's been a lot of long term covers bands disappearing round here too.

Part of the decline we can reasonably put down to the general decline of pubs and people going out to drink rather than staying at home. There's not much we as bands can do to stem that tide.

My belief however is that there is an innate conservatism in landlords about how music is booked and promoted, along with a similar conservatism in how many bands approach their music. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a bunch of 60+ musicians playing the songs of their youth to a small audience of other 60 year olds. I went to see a couple of mates playing in a blues band near Reading the other day and had a whale of a time with a small audience of people mainly my own age. It isn't the future however..... Last year in Edinburgh I caught a trad jazz band of 70+ musicians with an audience where I was one of the youngest there, good on them, I hope I'll be doing something similar.

If live music in pubs is to survive though then we need to get in new audiences to replace those that are dropping out. That means drawing in people who don't currently go for what we offer and ultimately we need to replace older audiences with younger ones. Now part of the solution is better selling of what we do. I doubt if most people even know there is free, good quality live music in a pub local to them. Neither we the bands, or the landlords/pubcos or breweries do any consistent marketing. Even then we need young people to come along or accept that our days of playing are numbered.

There are clearly people on here who love music but think there have been no decent songs written in the last 30 years. That's not news and I'm happy that they love what they do. It's not news either that none of us ever really grow up and inside this 60 year old there is still a kid that is surprised every time they look in a mirror. I'm playing with a bunch of 40/50 year olds who think all the best music was written in the 80's. The 40 year olds think the best music was from the 90's and so on.

The thing is that we all benefit if the pub had a good band in last week. A good show means that more people will come back next week, it will help pay the bills and keep the venue open. If a venue has good bands week after week, as some of the music pubs do, then when you get to play there is a ready made audience for you. Five consecutive weeks of same old, same old will convince most punters to stay away from that particular pub and kill the audience and ultimately the venue for all of us.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:38 AM

Big problem I find is that many pubs will only book the same old, same old.

Anything different is often greeted by 'the regulars didn't like it.

It seems some places pander to the rule of diminishing returns, like the places is being run like an exclusive little club.

There's a pub around here that will seemingly only ever book classic rock covers. Even our old-skool R'n'B trio was deemed to far from what they want....so heaven help anything from the 21st century!
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:43 AM

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There's a pub around here that will seemingly only ever book classic rock covers. Even our old-skool R'n'B trio was deemed to far from what they want....so heaven help anything from the 21st century!

I expect they were trying to retain a certain clientele (double denim, shoulder-length hair etc...)
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:50 AM

View PostMarvin, on 06 January 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

There are an increasing number of bands chasing a decreasing audience.
agree with the deceasing audience (and Venues) not sure about the increasing bands though

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:08 AM

The busiest pubs I see routinely are Wetherspoons who not only don't put bands on, they don't even do background muzak. Obviously their strategy is to sell drinks at low prices and it works for them but I think it's also symptomatic that pub culture is generally changeing. There will always be some specific music oriented venues but the days of every street boozer corner having a turn on every Saturday is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. I wouldn't particularly look to the next generation to change that either. Half of them spend more on fancy coffees looking at their phones than they do beer and socialising with real people. But I'm just a middle aged out of touch git.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 12:04 PM

View PostKevB, on 06 January 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

The busiest pubs I see routinely are Wetherspoons who not only don't put bands on, they don't even do background muzak. Obviously their strategy is to sell drinks at low prices and it works for them but I think it's also symptomatic that pub culture is generally changeing. There will always be some specific music oriented venues but the days of every street boozer corner having a turn on every Saturday is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. I wouldn't particularly look to the next generation to change that either. Half of them spend more on fancy coffees looking at their phones than they do beer and socialising with real people. But I'm just a middle aged out of touch git.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 12:10 PM

View PostPaulWarning, on 06 January 2017 - 09:50 AM, said:

agree with the deceasing audience ...

I think that comes under the heading of "accidentally accurate". :lol:
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 12:48 PM

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Big problem I find is that many pubs will only book the same old, same old.

Anything different is often greeted by 'the regulars didn't like it.

It seems some places pander to the rule of diminishing returns, like the places is being run like an exclusive little club.

There's a pub around here that will seemingly only ever book classic rock covers. Even our old-skool R'n'B trio was deemed to far from what they want....so heaven help anything from the 21st century!

Thi is so true. Theres quite a few pubs close to me in west London, and the same bands play them over and over again, using the same setlists as each other. When we speak to the LL and present something that 30 somethings might like they are generallly not interested. The irony is that when we do play the occasional gig the music appeals to ages from 20 somethings to sixty somethings. We have modified the set so that we have stuff that everyone who listens to music would know, with a coupe that we play that no one knows just because we like them. All the stuff we play is popular radio friendly stuff.

I think there is less music in pubs, but only because there are fewer pubs. Lets be honest, in the mid 90s it was quite common to walk into a Karaoke night when once there would have been a band, and popular music pubs were closing. Even proper music pubs rather than pubs with bands like Red Lion Brentford, the Clarendon in Hammersmith didn't survive this.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 12:50 PM

View PoststingrayPete1977, on 04 January 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

The world moves on, why aren't we all at the ballroom on a sunday afternoon anymore? There will always be a few people that keep genres alive along with suitable venues in some cases but will there be bands full of fifty year old blokes playing Hey Joe forever in every town? Maybe,maybe not.

What saddens me is the number of 'young' bands that play a set full of Cream, Hendrix, Free and Bad Company........

BTW I'm a fifty something and can categorically state that I don't play Hey Joe in public you ageist git Pete ;-)

The pub scene in my area has gravitated to Classic Rock acts, SKA tributes and Punk multiband nights. When I was doing Classic Rock I was on at least a gig per week. Now that I'm doing mainly 80s, I'm only doing 1 per month in the local area....

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 01:24 PM

View PostEarbrass, on 06 January 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

I think that comes under the heading of "accidentally accurate". :lol:
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 04:13 PM

View PostMarvin, on 06 January 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

There are an increasing number of bands chasing a decreasing audience.
yep that's it

When I was young hardly anyone was a muso

Now every one you meet plays

It's a good thing

But as with anything, if you increase the supply at a time when demand (for pub bands) seems to be dying, the price decreases

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 04:14 PM

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What saddens me is the number of 'young' bands that play a set full of Cream, Hendrix, Free and Bad Company........

BTW I'm a fifty something and can categorically state that I don't play Hey Joe in public you ageist git Pete ;-)

The pub scene in my area has gravitated to Classic Rock acts, SKA tributes and Punk multiband nights. When I was doing Classic Rock I was on at least a gig per week. Now that I'm doing mainly 80s, I'm only doing 1 per month in the local area....
yep just the same here

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 04:55 PM

Does it really matter though, I don't do many things people 50 years older than me did and people fifty years younger than me probably won't do the things I enjoy either.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:21 PM

View PoststingrayPete1977, on 06 January 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Does it really matter though, I don't do many things people 50 years older than me did and people fifty years younger than me probably won't do the things I enjoy either.

Still trying to work that one out ...
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:39 PM

View PostHappy Jack, on 06 January 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:



Still trying to work that one out ...

Tricky isn't it, why do we feel the need for people that come after us to have the same experiences as us? I hope that future generations have fun and have a happy healthy life, if it's found by downloading it into their brains with an app so be it, maybe future generations will be able to experience the Beatles as only those that 'were there' did?
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:48 PM

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BTW I'm a fifty something and can categorically state that I don't play Hey Joe in public you ageist git Pete ;-)

I am 50 something and I can sadly say that I do play Hey Joe in public, as our 30yo guitarist likes that sort of thing.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 08:38 AM

I am nearly 40 and have played it many times, even when I was in my 20s :D
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 09:26 AM

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What saddens me is the number of 'young' bands that play a set full of Cream, Hendrix, Free and Bad Company........

BTW I'm a fifty something and can categorically state that I don't play Hey Joe in public you ageist git Pete ;-)

The pub scene in my area has gravitated to Classic Rock acts, SKA tributes and Punk multiband nights. When I was doing Classic Rock I was on at least a gig per week. Now that I'm doing mainly 80s, I'm only doing 1 per month in the local area....

This is all so subjective , I don't see what's wrong if younger bands what to play whatever genres they love from the past , be it classic rock, ska or Abba , it's all music to be enjoyed.

My main band is an 80s tribute and we can't keep up with demand , the middled aged want us for birthdays and 2nd weddings and I'm always surprised the amount of the younger crowd that know all the lyrics

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 09:33 AM

View Postmartthebass, on 06 January 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:

What saddens me is the number of 'young' bands that play a set full of Cream, Hendrix, Free and Bad Company........

Why does it sadden you? Those songs are probably as new to them as anything that's been in the charts for the last 10 years.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 09:43 AM

A great song is a great song forever.
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