Moving to a New Music Genre
Posted 03 January 2017 - 02:42 PM
I've played as a melody player on other instruments for many years in musicians' sessions, so I'm used to playing tunes picked up by ear as I go along. But now I want to play rhythm and not sure how to begin retraining myself. I'll be starting easy with folk sessions (only a couple of keys to grapple with) but I'd like (in the end) to be able to play in a local gypsy jazz session. I work full time so my practice time is in short chunks, and not every day, so I need my practice to really pay. So does anyone have any suggestions on how I should direct my learning/practice focus that will enable me to play session? I don't want to waste my practice time on stuff that won't really help me move genre, hence my plea.
Posted 03 January 2017 - 04:47 PM
I'll sling my 2p in.
Others will have different experiences.
I'd say focus virtually all your practice time on learning how to play the double bass. Ie exercises and etudes that allow you to develop the physical side of playing the instrument.
I'd then spend non "practice" time seriously listening to the genre you want to play.
Make notes on what the bass is doing and gradually add a few minutes to your practice sessions applying these things.
Posted 03 January 2017 - 06:11 PM
The iReal player helped me a lot, as did building in a solid amount of listening time. You can't play jazz if you're always playin'
Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:35 AM
Burns-bass, you mentioned understanding chords and progressions - what are you doing to develop this? I've never seriously played a chord instrument so my understanding of how it works in practice is weak.
Posted 04 January 2017 - 09:57 AM
There are a lot of books about walking bass. Here are some that I've found useful:
Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:00 AM
Go along to a few open-mic nights nearby. Maybe just take a bass guitar to begin with? - It's easier to lug around, and no harm to be able to play DB and BG, I would say. open-mics will help develop your listening skills and get you used to jamming along with other musicians who may also play several genres / styles. You often end up playing songs you may not even like - but that again is not necessarily a wholly bad thing - it's good to be outside your comfort zone from time to time....
Is there a local folk club or music club near you? I joined a folk club near me - they often do pub jam sessions and I get asked to come along, as most of them play guitar, mandolin / mandola etc... so being a bass player, I'm usually welcome.
Good luck with your shift to a new genre - BTW. I can't read a note and have never played with an orchestra - wish I had done that sometimes
EDIT: If you're listening to and playing along with music outside your genre - I'd say any practice is not strictly "wasted" if you really want to make that change
Edited by Marc S, 04 January 2017 - 10:02 AM.
Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:04 AM
Posted 04 January 2017 - 12:54 PM
( -Does anyone know the tune in example 5 ?
Is it " Sunny Skies " , or " Blue Skies " or something like that ? )
Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:18 PM
The first was Ed Friedland's Walking Baselines.
The second is The Evolving Bassist
The third is the Bass Real Book
I used to work through examples in the Walking Bass book and then apply them to chord changes of familiar jazz tunes. I listen to the melody on a You Tube recording and try and get this down. It also helps to get out to watch some live music too and see if you can follow the melody, and then understand the tune.
The Evolving Bassist is a good book, but quite challenging, with some serious leaps in it, so I am working through this slowly with a teacher. That's the other bit of advice is to get a good teacher. Having someone to give you encouragement or unlock some of the complexities is great. As you're probably great with the theory, someone playing your sort of music is great. Most of the pros I met started this way, subbing for their teacher and in the end improving.
Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:49 PM
But I learned the most valuable lessons by just getting out there & playing.
I get fed up with learning about music via books too - I just want to go off course a bit too much
It's probably a sign of my ignorance & inability to read the music....
Posted 04 January 2017 - 05:47 PM
Great to hear you are into 'Gypsy Jazz'--I cannot understand why it is not a more popular in the genre of musical styles. There are some awesome gypsy jazz musicians out there--just go on Youtube and search on 'Gypsy Jazz'. Wow!--mind blowing stuff--a mixture of gypsy style standards and jazz--ranging from swing to be-bop--not to mention the waltz.
My '2 cents' worth--listen to as much jazz as you can--from early jazz (1920's) all the way up the jazz spectrum to today jazz styles---listen to how the bass styles have evolved.
Posted 04 January 2017 - 08:01 PM
Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:33 PM
He is one excellent teacher, and you can easily build your own course by expanding his material into practice sessions. He's got a great way of structuring the logic; I find his stuff easier to put into practice musically than lessons from anyone else so far.
Just realised that the technique video series is hard to find on his site (look under videos/eductional), but you'll you'll find it all on a youtube search for Chris Fiitzgerald bass.
Edited by fatback, 05 January 2017 - 01:38 PM.
Westone Thunder 1A fretless (1985-ish)
Czech double bass (1940-something noname)
Full Circle and Kent Armstrong db p/ups, Spiro weichs
Boss CEB-3 chorus
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