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Posted 08 January 2017 - 11:51 PM

I was mulling over the lack of more "modern" names here, and it got me thinking that I first saw Biffy Clyro in 2001, they've been a band since around 98/99, so are now touching distance from having a 20 year career of ever increasing success, from grinding out club tours in the early part of the century to filling arenas and headlining festivals the world over now. To me, I'd happily put them on a list like this. Probably shows just how massively subjective it all is though!

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:02 AM

Like his music, Gallagher's opinion is worthless as is everyone else's including mine ;). Anyway as jazz is such a niche genre I don't see how anyone can get worked up about it. Don't really have any musical heroes as I know little about the blokes wot make music I like. There are dozen or so whose stuff I'll buy blind and that's as far as being a fan goes for me

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:28 AM

View Postgareth, on 08 January 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

There is a thread about how Noel Gallagher dislikes jazz, to which my response is, who cares what he thinks - in other words to me his opinion is worthless, just as Sting's (yes the man who is helping global warming by having 20+ properties throughout the world) opinion on global warming is worthless

Anyways it got me thinking about bands like Oasis, Blur, REM. All of which I remember being told, often by the band members (and their egos) that they were the greatest bands ever.

Well not in my book. None have lasted the course, timewise, by creating an important body of music over a long period of time

So my long term super hero musicians would include, in no particular order

The Beatles
The stones
Elvis
Bob Dylan
Van Morrison
Joni Mitchell
Paul Simon
Jimi Hendrix


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Oasis, Blur and REM all had fairly long careers, especially REM (15 studio albums over 28 years - significantly longer than The Beatles, Led Zeppelin etc) so I'm not in agreement about 'not lasting the course'.

The Stones and Dylan have both been going for decades but neither have made an 'important' album since the '70s.

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:32 AM

View Postmike257, on 08 January 2017 - 11:51 PM, said:

I was mulling over the lack of more "modern" names here, and it got me thinking that I first saw Biffy Clyro in 2001, they've been a band since around 98/99, so are now touching distance from having a 20 year career of ever increasing success, from grinding out club tours in the early part of the century to filling arenas and headlining festivals the world over now. To me, I'd happily put them on a list like this. Probably shows just how massively subjective it all is though!

Absolutely, Biffy Clyro have done it the traditional way too, by slowly building up a following on their own terms, album after album until they started to reap the benefits of the hard work and got major commercial success. I really respect them for that.

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:55 AM

All very subjective of course and someone finally mentioned Springsteen & The E Street Band but another two for me would be Neil Young and Tom Waits
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Posted 09 January 2017 - 12:02 PM

Not a huge fan of Nirvana but they definitely had a lasting impact!
Not spotted Iron Maiden on this list either
Id love to mention Dream Theater but I doubt they'd make the list :ph34r:

More modern but for me Foo Fighters have to be one of the big names in recent times

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 12:06 PM

I'd add johnny cash and also u2 and in particular Adam Clayton for his artistic integrity





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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:21 PM

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:34 PM

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:36 PM

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:38 PM

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Absolutely, Biffy Clyro have done it the traditional way too, by slowly building up a following on their own terms, album after album until they started to reap the benefits of the hard work and got major commercial success. I really respect them for that.
Ive got say Biffy Clyro blow me away. Just really great music.
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:45 PM

View PostT-Bay, on 08 January 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

Nirvana's Bleach is perfection to me and Nevermind continues to sound fresh more than twenty years on.

Beg to differ. Bleach hasn't really aged but Nevermind is virtually unlistenable now. Way over-produced.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:54 PM

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Beg to differ. Bleach hasn't really aged but Nevermind is virtually unlistenable now. Way over-produced.
Coms down to personal taste, I have heard the over produced thing regurgitated over the years but it worked then and still does now, territorial pissings is my personal favourite but all good.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:16 PM

View PostT-Bay, on 10 January 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

Coms down to personal taste, I have heard the over produced thing regurgitated over the years but it worked then and still does now, territorial pissings is my personal favourite but all good.

Perhaps. Nevermind's pop sensibilities came as a bit of a shock when it came out. It wasn't anything like Bleach or, for that matter, bands like Mudhoney, Tad or Soundgarden (Yes, I wore a Nato parka and DMs and thought I was an individual)... but it sounded great. Now it just sounds really dated.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:28 AM

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:03 AM

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:47 AM

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:59 AM

View PostKiwi, on 11 January 2017 - 04:03 AM, said:

Phil Collins, Toto

As deserving as any in this thread.
Toto should have been in my list. not sure how I forgot...
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 08:23 AM

View PostT-Bay, on 08 January 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

But can you name two more influential acts of the respective decades? Never mind the bollocks is a masterpiece, Nirvana's Bleach is perfection to me and Nevermind continues to sound fresh more than twenty years on.

What you are suggesting is that we should only list bands who drudge on for years and years? A case of 'never mind the quality, feel the width' as it were. I would much rather one or two superb albums than loads of mediocre ones. I can only list about ten bands/ artists that have more than five albums in my collection, out of a total of several hundred.

I have never bought into the 'I liked the first album so MUST buy ever other one' mentality. Each is judged on its own merits.

Edit: looking through other lists there are people on there of similar short existence. I took the OPs meaning as the length of the influence on you as much as anything and it seems others have as well.

I presume you aren't a fan of either The pistols or Nirvana? Oh well, that's a shame..........

I was not talking personal taste at all. I love the Beatles, most acts at the time found it hard to make singles as good as the Beatles album tracks, but they had lost it, for me, after the White Album. As for bands from your youth being the ones that people will hold up? Its probably right. Albums I still play after 40 years are early Yes stuff and Peter Gabriel era Genesis. Both ground breaking in the early 70s and judging by youtube hits still revered by all ages now. So they are long term influences still getting to the youth of today.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:11 AM

Frank Zappa
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:38 AM

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:13 AM

My long term Super Heroes are the guys who made "my" music possible.

The guys who set up and ran the Stax, Fame, All American, Chess, Atlantic, Vee-Jay, Muscle Shoals, Motown, Malaco and J&M studios, and all the musicians, engineers, producers, arrangers and writers. . . even the secretaries.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 12:07 PM

View PostNo lust in Jazz, on 11 January 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

Frank Zappa
Captain Beefheart
Kate Bush
Sly Stone
Tim Smith - Cardiacs
James Brown
Johnny Cash
Bowie

There will be others...

That's a good list.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 12:19 PM

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Oasis, Blur and REM all had fairly long careers, especially REM (15 studio albums over 28 years - significantly longer than The Beatles, Led Zeppelin etc) so I'm not in agreement about 'not lasting the course'.

The Stones and Dylan have both been going for decades but neither have made an 'important' album since the '70s.

Perhaps the OP was refering to the body of work of an artist or band standing the test of time, with regard to it still influencing the latest generation and still being widely listened to? Rather than the length of there recording career. Just a thought.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 12:37 PM

View Postmikel, on 11 January 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

Perhaps the OP was refering to the body of work of an artist or band standing the test of time, with regard to it still influencing the latest generation and still being widely listened to? Rather than the length of there recording career. Just a thought.

And whether you love or hate them, Oasis and Blur inspired a whole generation to pick up guitars and right insipid dull indie pop that dominated radio 2 for the noughties.

And echos of Graham Coxon's guitar work can be heard in every band since then, while the propensity for endless beatlesy dirgey crap that gets everywhere was entirely fuelled by the Gallagher brothers.

And saying REM aren't influential is utterly wrong.

Some of this post may be in jest (not a massive fan of any of these bands, but the OP is way off the mark just because he doesn't like them)
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 01:38 PM

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:05 PM

View PostDave Vader, on 11 January 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

And whether you love or hate them, Oasis and Blur inspired a whole generation to pick up guitars and right insipid dull indie pop that dominated radio 2 for the noughties.

And echos of Graham Coxon's guitar work can be heard in every band since then, while the propensity for endless beatlesy dirgey crap that gets everywhere was entirely fuelled by the Gallagher brothers.

And saying REM aren't influential is utterly wrong.

Some of this post may be in jest (not a massive fan of any of these bands, but the OP is way off the mark just because he doesn't like them)
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With you on all of the above. Its the job of later generations to be influenced, in some way, by certain artists, but to take the influence further and to push boundaries. Re hashing the Beatles back catalogue is not moving music forwards.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:10 PM

View PostPaulGibsonBass, on 09 January 2017 - 11:28 AM, said:

The Stones and Dylan have both been going for decades but neither have made an 'important' album since the '70s.

I'd suggest Dylan's 'Time Out of Mind' was an important LP.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:34 PM

View Postwateroftyne, on 11 January 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:

I'd suggest Dylan's 'Time Out of Mind' was an important LP.

What exactly constitutes an "important" album anyway ? :scratch_one-s_head:

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:47 PM

View PostCoilte, on 11 January 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

What exactly constitutes an "important" album anyway ? :scratch_one-s_head:

It's a fuzzy concept, but I'd say it's something which is popular, well-received, and defines a moment. Time Out of Mind put him back in the public eye, and gave the world a new standard.

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