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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:10 PM

just spotted this.......

Zoom B3n Multi-Effects Processor for Bass

looks fun, wonder how much it'll be?

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:13 PM

It looks like an update as opposed to a completely new unit so probably similarly priced to the B3, I love mine and would be tempted if the new one offers anything extra.

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:23 PM

No xlr out and only a single page of settings (4 parameters) per effect it would seem, and that's just from a cursory glance. DEFINITELY Not an upgrade in my book. Not saying it won't be good though!

Edit: only 5 amp models...

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:36 PM

View PostBigwan, on 09 January 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

No xlr out and only a single page of settings (4 parameters) per effect it would seem, and that's just from a cursory glance. DEFINITELY Not an upgrade in my book. Not saying it won't be good though!

Edit: only 5 amp models...

Guitar version is £140ish

Our American equivalent site seems to think that further amp models will be available as downloads via the new software suite and also that the 3 screens will replace the 3 tabs of settings on one screen (did that make sense???)

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:09 PM

looks like you can scroll through the list of parameters so can be more than four per effect and it looks like its just an updated b3 so software will be the same and there is an aux in which the b3 doesnt have but it doesnt look like it can be battery powered either. the extra pedal buttons might make it easier to change patches too and no xlr connecter which was on the b3

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:28 PM

Aye the no xlr for use as a di box type affair is a bit of a drawback. And i assume that there will be dlc as it were in terms of further effects and models as otherwise its not quite an upgrade on the existing b3 (which i love).

But on the positive side, 7 effects is great, freeing up noise gates and amp/ pre amp models and still having five effects to play with, presumably easier to swop between banks. Also 32bit processor and 24bit audio aren't shabby. Can't remember off hand what the b3 has under its hood though.

Will be interested to read the first reviews on this when it comes out, definitely interested!

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:29 AM

View PostDangerDan, on 09 January 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

Also 32bit processor and 24bit audio aren't shabby. Can't remember off hand what the b3 has under its hood though.


It's the same.

Although I generally don't use the DI on my B3, it's nice to know it's there as a backup...

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:13 AM

No tap tempo button either. Coupled with the lack of Di out makes me think I won't be upgrading
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:16 AM

View PostKing Tut, on 10 January 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

No tap tempo button either. Coupled with the lack of Di out makes me think I won't be upgrading

Scrub that re the tap tempo . . . Just read th specs. Looks deeper front to back than the b3. Just started using mine with other pedals in a boss case so still think I'll stick!
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 08:41 AM

View Postbartelby, on 10 January 2017 - 07:29 AM, said:



It's the same.

Although I generally don't use the DI on my B3, it's nice to know it's there as a backup...

Ahh sweet, cheers for checking. Interesting that it got no extra power but can run an extra four effects at the same time. Guess they made it more efficient.

I havn't used the di on mine either, but i know that people do, not a deal breaker for me either, but nice to have as you say.

Does the guitar version have a di out on it? Could there be a 'deluxe' version as it were?

Will def try one of these when i can get my hands on one, just undecided as to whether i will actually replace the b3 with it.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:35 AM

Link was dead for me, but here is a cached version.

7 ~effects at once is cool. Still dont think id swap my MS60b for it. Ill wait until zoom brings out a multieffects that can sync to midi.
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Posted 16 January 2017 - 05:45 PM

I want. I hope the fact that access to the page has been stopped isn't a bad sign.
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Posted 17 January 2017 - 02:13 PM

Having read https://gear-otaku.b...lti-effect.html (I love Google Translate), presumably access has been suspended until the official announcement in two days time at NAMM.
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Posted 17 January 2017 - 08:00 PM

I have a b3 (not this new one) and love it.

I love the b3 layout though - where it looks like each individual pedal and controls. Im not too sure about the new ones layout.

A 7 screen one (if its using 7 combined effects) would be brilliant, 3 might be a bit confusing?

All that said, if youre looking for a multi effects at a great price, these will be great!

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:01 PM

The loss of battery would be a big downside for me. The XLR possibly but I haven't really used it that much and the amp has one.
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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:24 PM

 tauzero, on 17 January 2017 - 02:13 PM, said:

Having read https://gear-otaku.b...lti-effect.html (I love Google Translate), presumably access has been suspended until the official announcement in two days time at NAMM.

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 01:48 PM

I can see a way of doing DI on it, if DI was the only output you wanted and you didn't mind losing one effect slot. The Left/Mono output is also a headphone output, so if the final effect inverted the left output and sent it to the right side (and applied gain of about 4x to bring the signal from 150-200mV P-P to 600-1000mV P-P), you'd just need a stereo jack to XLR lead.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:21 PM

Just stumbled upon this, looking forward to seeing the reviews once released.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 10:56 AM

Apparently now on sale with Thomann UK for £167, but they won't have in stock until 24 March. Anyone managed to land their hands on one yet?

My sense is that this will be nice compromise between the cheep and cheerful Zoom MS 60B (£75 - GAK) and the more high end Line 6 Pod hd500x (around £400) and should be a direct competitor to the much older Boss ME-50B (£250) which has been doing the rounds since 2005!! (And such longevity is a real testament to the quality and gigability of the ME-50B).

Do folk agree with that assessment of the positioning of the Zoom B3n?

elephantgrey - I note you are not tempted to upgrade your Zoom MS 60B for the B3n? Must admit, I very much am thinking of doing so with mine - I suspect the B3n will be a much more stage friendly device than the MS 60B?
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 12:42 PM

 Al Krow, on 24 February 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

Apparently now on sale with Thomann UK for £167, but they won't have in stock until 24 March. Anyone managed to land their hands on one yet?

My sense is that this will be nice compromise between the cheep and cheerful Zoom MS 60B (£75 - GAK) and the more high end Line 6 Pod hd500x (around £400) and should be a direct competitor to the much older Boss ME-50B (£250) which has been doing the rounds since 2005!! (And such longevity is a real testament to the quality and gigability of the ME-50B).

Do folk agree with that assessment of the positioning of the Zoom B3n?

elephantgrey - I note you are not tempted to upgrade your Zoom MS 60B for the B3n? Must admit, I very much am thinking of doing so with mine - I suspect the B3n will be a much more stage friendly device than the MS 60B?

I'm certainly interested to see how this new one goes down with people. I've been using an MS60B for the past 18 months and it is a great pedal. Top notch build quality and effects that are very usable and easy to operate. The octaver in particular is really nice as are some of the amp sims. Saying that, I've been seriously thinking about upgrading to it's big brother, the B3, given it offers so much more live functionality with the three pedals in play and the DI connection.

Really interested to see how this new one matches up with the older B3 model.

Also, as to the Line-6 HD500X, I have to say I think the zoom does a better sound for the most part. The guitarist in my band picked up the L6 board a few months back because he had it in his head he wanted to do some kind of daft bi-amping wall of sound thing. So far I find the thing sounds pretty nasty. It's not bad at bedroom levels but once you get it up to volume it just sounds brittle and harsh to my ears. Putting it side by side with a real valve head the other week the difference was night and day.

I tried it with the bass too and again, reasonable sounds at modest volume but just nothing I would think was worth the money once you get to gig volumes. I'm not talking insanely loud either, just on part with a cranked 15-watt Vox guitar amp going into a 412.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 12:47 PM

Sorry to hijack, if anyone feels like offloading a B3 or B1Xon in favour of B3n I'm in the market for one! :)

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

 tauzero, on 19 January 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

I can see a way of doing DI on it, if DI was the only output you wanted and you didn't mind losing one effect slot. The Left/Mono output is also a headphone output, so if the final effect inverted the left output and sent it to the right side (and applied gain of about 4x to bring the signal from 150-200mV P-P to 600-1000mV P-P), you'd just need a stereo jack to XLR lead.

Wouldn't this result in an unbalanced signal? I think you'd want DI to be balanced.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 08:14 PM

I've had both the Zoom B3 & the POD HD500x, I must say that the HD is absolutely superb, great sounds, loads of choice with effects and options. The B3 was good, but the HD is brilliant. It takes time to set up, but well worth taking the time to set up.

The upside of the new Zoom B3n coming out, is the fact that there should be some very good deals on the B3.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 11:34 PM

 jrixn1, on 24 February 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

Wouldn't this result in an unbalanced signal? I think you'd want DI to be balanced.

No, it would be unbalanced if you just used one output. Inverting the other output and driving the other side with the inverted signal produces a balanced output. However, it would require Zoom to produce a DI effect for just that purpose.
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Posted 26 February 2017 - 07:10 AM

View PostSkybone, on 24 February 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

I've had both the Zoom B3 & the POD HD500x, I must say that the HD is absolutely superb, great sounds, loads of choice with effects and options. The B3 was good, but the HD is brilliant. It takes time to set up, but well worth taking the time to set up.

The upside of the new Zoom B3n coming out, is the fact that there should be some very good deals on the B3.

+1 on the POD HD500x. The modelling is excellent. Whilst the Zoom is good, the POD is in a different league. - you do need the bass expansion pack though.

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 02:05 PM

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elephantgrey - I note you are not tempted to upgrade your Zoom MS 60B for the B3n? Must admit, I very much am thinking of doing so with mine - I suspect the B3n will be a much more stage friendly device than the MS 60B?
Well I use my ms60b basically exclusively for always on time effects (equipment, preamp, noise gate, amp/cab SIM) as part of a board. The only need I'd have for the b3n would be modulation/looper, and I use midi to sync up all my time based effects. If it had midi, I'd probably get one for both my boards.
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Posted 26 February 2017 - 06:20 PM

elephantgrey - sounds good. You're definitely encouraging to have another look at my MS60B. Do you have / can you provide a link to you using yours? Al
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Posted 26 February 2017 - 06:53 PM

View Postelephantgrey, on 26 February 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Well I use my ms60b basically exclusively for always on time effects (equipment, preamp, noise gate, amp/cab SIM) as part of a board. The only need I'd have for the b3n would be modulation/looper, and I use midi to sync up all my time based effects. If it had midi, I'd probably get one for both my boards.

I'm using an external box that allows patch selection via MIDI. I didn't need any other options, but being able to tap 1 button to go straight to a patch is pretty important. There's a good chance I'd be able to use the same controller for the B3n too.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 07:33 PM

I'll do my best to keep this brief....but afraid it won't be (apologies)

I own and have gigged the B3 for quite a few years, and though I appreciate the feature set dedicated to bassists, there are two things that I could never get past: the limited 3 button footswitch design, and the fact that the modeled tones, though respectable for live use, seem to my ears to be lacking in depth and definition compared to the better (more expensive) modelers I own or have owned.

No knock really on the B3...fantastic at its price point. When the G5n guitar processor was introduced last year, I took a chance on it. The footprint is significantly larger than the B3, but not terribly huge, and well worth it considering how much more functionality/switching you get on the G5n. The big downside is that the G5n isn't geared specifically toward bassists, as is the new B3n (which I will own). I've punted, but been quite pleased using the HiWatt amp/cab sims for bass. Not a bad tone/vibe for bass at all, though quite midrange present.

Anyone who is pre-disposed to consider the new "n" series of pedal products to simply be an upgrade built upon what was established with the B3/B1Xon and the G5/G3 may or may not be thrilled with these new pedals. They really are conceived to be different conceptually, once you get beyond the obvious similarities. The "n" series is all about the upgrade in quality of the modeling across the board, and the algorithms have been re-worked from the ground up...all about speed and simplicity (WYSIWYG)...all about added capacity having up to 7 effect slots.

Having had time programming guitar sounds on the AxeFxII, I can vouch for the quality of the G5n guitar modeling and cab sims. Absolutely different leagues no doubt, but I've heard worse amp models in more expensive pieces of gear. Again, at this price point, G5n models are not too shabby, and (at least to my ears) contain more depth and detail in the amps, cabs, and drives compared to previous iterations and other modelers in the low price range.

Yes, they've ditched the XLR. They've also changed the "global" feature of the Looper and Rhythm modules. Instead, now, each is considered an insert effect within a patch, so you can't change patches with the looper/rhythm modules running and have them continue in the fashion they do with the B3. However, since you have a total of 7 slots maximum, you still have 5 slots left for "stomp" mode effects. Little consolation to Looper fans, I'm sure.

I suggest that you consider the B3n for the improvements in quality of the amp/cab/fx models, for the extra switches, and the extra fx slots. If you're wildly happy with the B3 and also rely on its built-in XLR, then the trade-off in sound quality and extra fx slots may not be worth it to you.

Speaking for myself, I will generally only be using the B3n for its Amp/Cab simulation and tonal/dynamic post-processing, and I'm excited to hear what the new amp algorithms sound like, as well as what ZOOM will be offering for future (downloadable) amps/cabs/fx. For many gigs, it will be used in conjunction with my G5n (which will provide the stomp effects...up to 9) when I need the flexibility of sounds. For simpler gigs which require little in the way of changing sounds and effects, I'll be using the B3n by itself. My road-worn B3 will be designated for home and backup duty.

A note about the XLR (or lack thereof) and how I personally am not bothered by this...I use only Full-Range cabinets for stage, thus my tones are fully baked with amp/cab modeling, and crafted to suit the needs of FOH. To account for stage acoustics, I run my pedals into the front end of a GK 1001RBII, and pull my FOH DI feed from its DI output, set to take the signal PRE the GK's preamp. I then use the tone controls on the GK to tailor the tone to my liking according to the needs of the stage, independent of the FOH feed. Over the years, this is what I've found to work best for me. A simple power amp with no tone capabilities means you only get "volume up" or "volume down", which is a bit stifling, especially when all you want to do is lop a few dB off of the high or low end bands, for example.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:09 PM

Hey Jimfist that is massively helpful and thanks very much for taking the time to share that.

Currently I have a Zoom MS60B and was thinking of replacing it with the Zoom B3n (£170). Sounds like from what you are saying, if I am going for only one multi FX pedal I should actually be thinking of the Zoom g5n (£250), even though the g5n is a guitar rather than bass focussed pedal?

Have you also tried out the Line 6 Pod HD500X (£400)? If so, how does that compare to the Zoom g5n?
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