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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

Perfected the use of a compressor into a bass synth pedal or even an envelope filter?

Squashy settings seem to cause glitches due to the raised noisefloor but in principle it should make the dynamics more consistent.

What's the secret?
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:39 PM

View PostKiwi, on 11 January 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

What's the secret?

Use a keyboard ;-)

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 03:50 AM

View PostBigRedX, on 11 January 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:

Use a keyboard ;-)
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Left handers aren't typically comfortable on keys - melodies are played with the right hand. Although, having said that, it didn't stop Phil Collins composing on one or Jools Holland (boogie woogie favours the left hand). I do pretty good with the Future Impact - it tracks my self built bass well but I'm still looking for potential improvements.
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 07:27 AM

Sorry to be slightly off topic, it can you get left handed keyboards that run the other way? I can't recall ever seeing one but it would be so simple to do on an electronic one.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:19 AM

View PostKiwi, on 11 January 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

Perfected the use of a compressor into a bass synth pedal or even an envelope filter?

Squashy settings seem to cause glitches due to the raised noisefloor but in principle it should make the dynamics more consistent.

What's the secret?

Filter then compressor.

Otherwise the filter can't react properly as the compressor limits it too much. My board has the envelope filter and synth pedals first, then compression, then drive. Works well.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:39 AM

View Postfretmeister, on 12 January 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

Filter then compressor.

Otherwise the filter can't react properly as the compressor limits it too much. My board has the envelope filter and synth pedals first, then compression, then drive. Works well.

I'm doing exactly the same, I run my comp after synths and filters.
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:44 AM

View PostT-Bay, on 12 January 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Sorry to be slightly off topic, it can you get left handed keyboards that run the other way? I can't recall ever seeing one but it would be so simple to do on an electronic one.

A "left-handed keyboard" sounds well dodgy, like slang for something or other.

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 12:13 PM

Has anybody noticed if using an eq before say, a future impact improves tracking? Maybe cleaning up all the sub lows improves tracking? Mind you, I'm guessing that the filters inside the Future Impacts triggering mechanism already do that if it's necessary?

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:03 PM

I agree with compression on the output as suggested above but I might play around with some light limiting before the FI and see if the noise floor is lifted.

View PostT-Bay, on 12 January 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Sorry to be slightly off topic, it can you get left handed keyboards that run the other way? I can't recall ever seeing one but it would be so simple to do on an electronic one.
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View PostEBS_freak, on 12 January 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

Has anybody noticed if using an eq before say, a future impact improves tracking? Maybe cleaning up all the sub lows improves tracking? Mind you, I'm guessing that the filters inside the Future Impacts triggering mechanism already do that if it's necessary?
Not exactly eq related but it and the Deep Impact both responded really well to single pickup basses like P-basses with flats and particularly Stingrays. Also does well with graphite necks but anything with two pickups and a scooped sound tends to glitch more easily. The Deep Impact used to track my Cutlass basses and the Modulus Sonic Hammer almost perfectly. I got the sense that there might well be a set of target frequencies that the pedals monitor for pitch tracking and related harmonics that make it glitch.

The problem with eq-ing for these frequencies is that eqing needed is going to be different for each note played.
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Posted 14 January 2017 - 01:18 AM

OK I tried the Effectrode PC2A and it worked really well. Whatever it does, it seems to fatten up those frequencies that are sensed by the Future Impact making the tracking a little more stable. Noice floor issues didn't seem to cause any glitching. I'm curious to know whether it's just this compressor (powered by a valve) that does it or whether other compressors might work in the same way.
Bass: Self built 5-string semi hollow headless, '79 Alembic Series 1 graphite, '78 Musicman Stingray, '86 Pangborn Warlord graphite, '93 Pedulla Pentabuzz, '09 Shuker Headless 6 MIDI (signed by Lee Sklar, Doug Wimbish and Billy Sheehan),'00 Spector NS5CR, '90 Status Series 1 5 string.
Backline: EBS Microbass, Future Impact, Zoom B3 into two Genz Benz Shuttle 6's and two fEARful F112 cabs, two Burman Pro4000HD 140w valve heads, Trace Elliot Hexavalve
Guitar: Alan Knight 'Hitmaker' tribute, Chandler Custom HSS Strat (signed by Nile Rodgers), Klein replica with sustainer, Yamaha MSG Deluxe Mk 1, Yamaha MSG Deluxe Mk 2
Backline: Amptweaker Tight Rock, Joyo JF14 American Sound, Burman GX3 preamp, Zoom G3X, Lexicon MPXG2 + R1 foot controller, Ibanez TSA5 x2 and Burman Pro 501 50w combo.
Studio: Yamaha CS6R synth module, Axon AX100 pitch to MIDI, Lexicon MPXG2 and MIDIman 16ch mixer, Ableton Live

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Posted 28 January 2017 - 10:30 PM

I've seen Joe Zawinal use a backward keyboard. Birdland live I think.





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