xgsjx Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) [quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1484493132' post='3215848'] I actually think 15w valve watts for guitar can cover an awful lot of ground. [/quote] Yup... Edited January 16, 2017 by xgsjx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 The bass player has left the building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Looks like the end of a Who concert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) There's a thought if you can't sell your gear on here, just find a local disaster spot and go lay down your gear and take a few shots and claim on the insurance Edited January 17, 2017 by deepbass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisK1975 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If that photo is not an Orange advert, it really should be. They are the only things in that picture apart from things made of stone / concrete that are still structurally together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Now there's a sideline, Tornado shelters in Orange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 [quote name='deepbass5' timestamp='1484671825' post='3217374'] Now there's a sideline, Tornado shelters in Orange [/quote] Orange County, I presume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1484656310' post='3217187'] If that photo is not an Orange advert, it really should be. They are the only things in that picture apart from things made of stone / concrete that are still structurally together. [/quote] Even the grillcloth went unscathed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downdown Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1484306140' post='3214495'] Hmm, 20 years ago, your mobile phone could make phone calls (IF you had reception) and possibly text, if you were rich. Now even mine could run NASA I hope I'm still around to see bass amp technology in 20 years, could be interesting. [/quote] I know what you mean, but what else is there for a bass amp to actually do? So what if the underlying technology changes, the end result must still be the same, surely? Same as the basses themselves really. There are only so many variations on doing the basic job of converting a string vibration to a small electrical signal - and it seems to me that most of those variations are concerned with the shape of a lump of wood I'm not denying there might be some amazing breakthrough in technology, but I'm struggling to think how the musical instrument we know as a 'bass guitar' is being held back for lack of technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='Downdown' timestamp='1484845899' post='3219058'] I know what you mean, but what else is there for a bass amp to actually do? So what if the underlying technology changes, the end result must still be the same, surely? Same as the basses themselves really. There are only so many variations on doing the basic job of converting a string vibration to a small electrical signal - and it seems to me that most of those variations are concerned with the shape of a lump of wood I'm not denying there might be some amazing breakthrough in technology, but I'm struggling to think how the musical instrument we know as a 'bass guitar' is being held back for lack of technology. [/quote] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]personally I think it was all downhill after people moved on from the [/font][color=#1B1B1B][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font][/color][color=#1B1B1B][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Vega Electric Bass Viol to those newfangled fender things.. And as for amplifiers, what need does anyone have of anything better than the Audio-Vox and the revolutionary Volu-Tone rigs.. [/font][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downdown Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 What's your definition of 'better'? Different perhaps, as people pursue that ever-elusive 'perfect' tone, but better? A cheap nasty bass didn't seem to hold Macca back did it? Possibly because he's a musician rather than a gear head and great musicians will always make great music, whereas some people just have all the gear and no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='Downdown' timestamp='1484846863' post='3219073'] What's your definition of 'better'? Different perhaps, as people pursue that ever-elusive 'perfect' tone, but better? A cheap nasty bass didn't seem to hold Macca back did it? Possibly because he's a musician rather than a gear head and great musicians will always make great music, whereas some people just have all the gear and no idea. [/quote] I don't think that I suggested better in anything other than an ironic sense.. All I'm saying there are a bunch of people who like things exactly like they are (or were) and another bunch of people who are intrigued by the options opened up by "developments" in what is available.. Just take a moment to think that without the second group of people you'd be playing a piece of gut nailed to a branch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 . . . . and then there's me, trying to sound like Duck Dunn with the latest and best gear available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='Downdown' timestamp='1484846863' post='3219073'] A cheap nasty bass didn't seem to hold Macca back did it? Possibly because he's a musician rather than a gear head [/quote] Paul McCartney - His guitars aren't too shabby though... tours with a LH 1960 Les Paul burst, owns a 1957 Gold top, early 50s LH Strat. Elvis' bass players upright. I think that when you have the amount of money that Macca has and you can afford it all anyway... gear is of little importance. You could argue that a lot of the stuff that made him famous and sold the records was the techniques and equipment in the studio... so whilst it may be fair to say he's not a gear head... he has certainly used a lot of gear throughout his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1484847323' post='3219081'] . . . . and then there's me, trying to sound like Duck Dunn with the latest and best gear available. [/quote]You're missing the pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downdown Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1484847137' post='3219078'] I don't think that I suggested better in anything other than an ironic sense.. All I'm saying there are a bunch of people who like things exactly like they are (or were) and another bunch of people who are intrigued by the options opened up by "developments" in what is available.. Just take a moment to think that without the second group of people you'd be playing a piece of gut nailed to a branch.. [/quote] Thing is, I'd bet there are some great musicians out there who could make better music with a piece of gut nailed to a branch than a other players with all the latest gear. But I agree with your basic point and would be the last person to suggest there's no need for continued development in things, anything really. But I am having trouble thinking about how a bass guitar could be significantly improved. What is holding bassists back these days? Imagine a 'Star Trek' future where pretty much anything is possible . . . how do we think a bass (+gear) could be fundamentally improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downdown Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1484848207' post='3219092'] I think that when you have the amount of money that Macca has and you can afford it all anyway... gear is of little importance. You could argue that a lot of the stuff that made him famous and sold the records was the techniques and equipment in the studio... so whilst it may be fair to say he's not a gear head... he has certainly used a lot of gear throughout his career. [/quote] I don't think gear is of little importance just because you can afford anything. Fair point about studio techniques, but that actually supports my basic point. Macca (and plenty of others) became world famous musicians using gear and techniques that still exist but are nowadays widely laughed at as being too primitive. Even as amateurs, we have access to instruments, gear and even recording facilities that 60s musicians and producers could only dream about. Indeed, isn't that one of the amazing things about the music business? No one here (I assume) could afford to buy themselves an F1 car (arguably the pinnacle of motoring technology - but let's not actually argue it!) yet most of us here (I assume) could afford to buy the exact same gear that our musical heroes use. Bass gear is eminently accessible to everyone who wants it, but musical ability and accomplishment clearly isn't - which is why no-one is held back by their instrument or gear. Gear is of little importance. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 You've clearly never loaded a van in the rain at 2am... And no, I can't afford the exact same gear my musical heroes use, and even if I could, it'd be massively impractical for my playing career. Which is where technological advances are important. I can get very very close to the tone I want from a rig I can practically use, and that's only thanks to advances in technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Some good points you are making ref the gear we can justify. Like most here, GAS has taken hold at times and I have always bought basses i like or lust after that may have led people at times to assume i am a better player than i am. It is in the back of your mind. But whether bass, Amp or Cab I feel, if i have eliminated the gear from the equation - bought the best, I can't blame it. I am then only crap because i have not practiced enough. I have also talked myself out of getting the latest gear and to spending the money on Lessons. but it doesn't last long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispn Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I've no real excuse for a 1200w power amp (800@4ohm) but damn if it doesn't deliver on every gig. I've got headroom for days and when I kick I'm my drive I've no qualms about clarity or presence. Does it sound better than my class D? I certainly think it's got more grunt and it has heaps of power handling. Do I need 800 proper watts on stage at a pub gig? No but me and my drummer have a great time every gig and wouldn't change a thing. Do I need 800w on a theatre gig to fill a 2000 seater room? Maybe not but it helps 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1484848228' post='3219093'] You're missing the pipe. [/quote] I'm sure I had my e-pipe when I left home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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