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#1 briansbrew

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:01 PM

Hi Guys,

Need some advice/help with this bad boy.

I have sanded off most of the clear lacquer and the stain but as you can see some of the stain is still in the grain. Its a 3 piece body and i don't know if nitromors is suitable for this task.
Its an old Blazer bass and i want to make suer its not damaged in the process.

If you notice to the left of the body there is a dark patch, this is slightly lower and has 2 holes which had lead shot removed (by me ) when I got the bass. Maybe someone was taking pot shots at it. I am trying to get this are level as possible but the holes will be a problem if I want to keep a natural finish.

Any suggestion/ideas would be greatly appreciated. ;) Attached File  monthly_03_2017/post-22874-0-19158300-1488747676.jpg   968.14K





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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:32 PM

I like it as it is :)
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:37 PM

View PostNumber6, on 05 March 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:

I like it as it is :)

You may have a good point there, some oil and leave the knocks and bumps...

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:42 PM

You can drill out the holes and bung them. I wouldn't change the rest honestly, just wax it it's cool.
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:02 PM

Yeah looks super ratty, love it!

10 coats of danish oil, sanded with wet n dry each coat, then 4 or 5 coats of beeswax will get you a real nice satin finish.

Best of lluck and make sure you put some photos of the finished product up!

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:20 PM

View PostTruckstop, on 05 March 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

Yeah looks super ratty, love it!

10 coats of danish oil, sanded with wet n dry each coat, then 4 or 5 coats of beeswax will get you a real nice satin finish.

Best of lluck and make sure you put some photos of the finished product up!
Thanks truck shop,
I think that the danish oil would be the way to go, never used it before so I may be very tempted. Some ash bungs first for the holes
i will of course put up pics of the finished article.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:21 AM

There are lots of tips in the Build Diaries on BassChat too. You might get an answer to your nitromors question there.

PS; I'd love to know what sort of gigs it's been used at where pot shots are taken at the band.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 09:22 AM

Nitromors is likely to leave a residue in the wood that may lead to later eruptions in the finish.
Have you tried wetting down the dents & letting them soak to see if you can swell the wood back out?
I have done this with small surface dent and it worked OK.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 10:05 AM

View Postivansc, on 06 March 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Have you tried wetting down the dents & letting them soak to see if you can swell the wood back out?
I have done this with small surface dent and it worked OK.
If the wood fibre hasn't been broken this could work, helped perhaps by a hot iron to steam the dent out. I doubt with lead shot stuck in the fibre is tore up and will not pop back in it's original shape.

Have a chat with a luthier about possible finishes, I think I read somewhere that once you go oil it is a b!tch to go back to paint later.
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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:46 PM

View PostBolo, on 06 March 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

If the wood fibre hasn't been broken this could work, helped perhaps by a hot iron to steam the dent out. I doubt with lead shot stuck in the fibre is tore up and will not pop back in it's original shape.

Have a chat with a luthier about possible finishes, I think I read somewhere that once you go oil it is a b!tch to go back to paint later.
Yes I am dubious now about the oil finish and using nitomors may leave a residue as Ivansc said.

More sanding it is then to see how that turns out :gas:

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:47 PM

View PostSpondonBassed, on 06 March 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

There are lots of tips in the Build Diaries on BassChat too. You might get an answer to your nitromors question there.

PS; I'd love to know what sort of gigs it's been used at where pot shots are taken at the band.

Ok coral maybe....

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 10:24 PM

View PostBolo, on 06 March 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

If the wood fibre hasn't been broken this could work, helped perhaps by a hot iron to steam the dent out. I doubt with lead shot stuck in the fibre is tore up and will not pop back in it's original shape.

Have a chat with a luthier about possible finishes, I think I read somewhere that once you go oil it is a b!tch to go back to paint later.

The dent is more a hollow that I find difficult to work out, I am sanding in and around it to see what happens, also I have added some water to the area to get it raised.. heres hoping

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:09 PM

If you can find the kit to do it I'd go for a sand-blasted finish on that. Would look lovely with the grain and the marked surface will work fine with it.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:49 PM

View PostNaetharu, on 08 March 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

If you can find the kit to do it I'd go for a sand-blasted finish on that. Would look lovely with the grain and the marked surface will work fine with it.

I had considered the sandblasting route if I can find someone local who have the kit to do it. I agree it would look the dogs ....

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 08:45 PM

What if I plug the 2 holes with brass plugs, bit like the Sandberg basses with silver plugs....

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 07:45 PM

First of all put a few drops of water in the dents and keep adding more as it soaks in. Then lay a quite damp cloth over the top and use a steam iron on its hottest setting to really heat it up. Rinse and repeat a few times. Leave it overnight to dry out and the wood will rise up as it dries. You can pop out a dent up to 2-3mm that way. Then you have less to sand out to get a smooth finish. Of course it depends how deep the dents are.
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Posted 10 March 2017 - 09:40 PM

View PostNorris, on 10 March 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

First of all put a few drops of water in the dents and keep adding more as it soaks in. Then lay a quite damp cloth over the top and use a steam iron on its hottest setting to really heat it up. Rinse and repeat a few times. Leave it overnight to dry out and the wood will rise up as it dries. You can pop out a dent up to 2-3mm that way. Then you have less to sand out to get a smooth finish. Of course it depends how deep the dents are.

Hi Norris,

I have tried the water and the large dark dent has gone up a bit, the 2 holes that you see are about 3mm or so deep as I have removed the lead shot so they will have to be filled. the dark patch I now know is a burnt mark which is sanded out completely.

The 2 holes are now plugged with a section I removed under the pick guard using a wood plug removal tool, was a bit brittle but its the best I can achieve under the circumstance.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 06:14 PM

Actually I would have been tempted to leave the shot in place as a talking point. Bit late now though.

An alternative would have been to saved some sawdust, pack it into the holes and then wick in some superglue
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Posted 11 March 2017 - 09:20 PM

View PostNorris, on 11 March 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

Actually I would have been tempted to leave the shot in place as a talking point. Bit late now though.

An alternative would have been to saved some sawdust, pack it into the holes and then wick in some superglue

all holes plugged now and 2 coats of Danish oil, must get a pic up when its complete and Im happy so far with the result. War wounds can be seen :yarr:

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 06:40 PM

I would very much like to see the result!
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:09 PM

View Postbriansbrew, on 09 March 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

What if I plug the 2 holes with brass plugs, bit like the Sandberg basses with silver plugs....

A couple of costume gemstones maybe?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:57 PM

Looks good to me. Looking forward to seeing your handiwork.

Don't worry about painting over oil. IF you ever want to do that, simply wash it over with white spirit, rub it down to make smooth and paint. I've done it a few times with oak furniture.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 08:26 PM

View PostGrangur, on 12 March 2017 - 07:57 PM, said:

Looks good to me. Looking forward to seeing your handiwork.

Don't worry about painting over oil. IF you ever want to do that, simply wash it over with white spirit, rub it down to make smooth and paint. I've done it a few times with oak furniture.

Good to know Grangur if the oil finish dosent work out.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 08:27 PM

View PostSpondonBassed, on 12 March 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

A couple of costume gemstones maybe?

Pity I didn't see that idea sooner, some sparklers to give me a diamond finish...

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 10:09 AM

View Postbriansbrew, on 12 March 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

Pity I didn't see that idea sooner, some sparklers to give me a diamond finish...
The beauty of having an oil finish is you can easily repair an oil finish by sweating out dings and sanding rough patches and re-oiling. So if you want to do the gems you can. IMHO the appearance of the lead shot marks is fine. It looks like recycled wood. That's fine with me. Wishbass make a living using recycled wood.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:12 PM

View PostGrangur, on 13 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

The beauty of having an oil finish is you can easily repair an oil finish by sweating out dings and sanding rough patches and re-oiling. So if you want to do the gems you can. IMHO the appearance of the lead shot marks is fine. It looks like recycled wood. That's fine with me. Wishbass make a living using recycled wood.

I got a cracker Idea today, I will be putting in 2 spent bullet cartridges that will really enhance the character....

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:15 PM

View Postbriansbrew, on 13 March 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

I got a cracker Idea today, I will be putting in 2 spent bullet cartridges that will really enhance the character....
Is your bass-playing THAT bad!?!!? :D
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 09:19 PM

View PostGrangur, on 13 March 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

Is your bass-playing THAT bad!?!!? :D

I just hate doing requests.... :ph34r:

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:56 PM

View Postbriansbrew, on 13 March 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

I just hate doing requests.... :ph34r:


Finished now with the bullet cartridges lodged, Check the top of the page

what do you think, love the Danish oil finish

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