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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:42 PM

So we all know there are some very sought after, highly prized and similarly highly priced basses of the past from various marques.....

My question is: will there be basses that we buy nowadays that will become the future classics and just as sought after?
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:54 PM

Only when one of the current great luthiers retire - Fodera, RItter etc.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 02:58 PM

IMO the bass in question needs to satisfy two conditions:

1. It is no longer being made (either the whole brand or a particular model)

2. It is the bass of choice for a well known bassist with a distinctive musical style.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:01 PM

I think the Modulus Flea/FU has done that.

They were changing hands for £900-£1200 when I joined here 7 years ago, you'd be lucky to spend less than £2000 now.

I should've jumped at the ones I debated.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:30 PM

This instrument was played by a famous person in the 80,s, but I can't remember who. It's very rare. My dream bass. A Hamer Impact from 1988.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:45 PM

View PostMykesbass, on 12 March 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Only when one of the current great luthiers retire - Fodera, RItter etc.

....and Carl Thompson.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:45 PM

I reckon the US Fender 2012 - 16 Series may well become a bit like the JVs, as imo they really upped their game on these ones, both Precision and Jazz alike.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:45 PM

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 03:47 PM

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

Hmm, probably Fender and Gibson custom shop models if nothing else. In about ten years I would suspect that 1980s Fenders will become sought after even though they not highly thought of at the moment.

As said above as well, any original bass made by a 'boutique' luthier before they retire: Fodera, Sadowsky, Ritter, Carl Thompson, Mike Lull etc.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:32 PM

I can't imagine the youth of today fighting over anything particularly interesting bass wise, high prices tend to be driven mainly by nostalgia, those who really wanted a Rickenbacker in the 70s are now in a position to buy one for example, working on that logic eBay will be full of listings for old iPhones and such things.

I'd imagine the safer money would be on main stream instruments rather than anything special, the kids into proper bands now and in the future are going to be the slightly retro loving ones I'd say, if I was looking to invest it would be a 66 jazz or a 50s P bass rather than something like one of BRX's Gus basses regardless of the playability, I wouldn't use an old Fender anyway as they all have a string missing :)
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:40 PM

View Postthodrik, on 12 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Hmm, probably Fender and Gibson custom shop models if nothing else. In about ten years I would suspect that 1980s Fenders will become sought after even though they not highly thought of at the moment.

As said above as well, any original bass made by a 'boutique' luthier before they retire: Fodera, Sadowsky, Ritter, Carl Thompson, Mike Lull etc.

It would be interesting to see what the uptake of the bass guitar figures have looked like over the past forty years, I'd be amazed if they aren't falling, the supply and demand for high end boutique basses will surely not pan out well, even on a forum like this today they'll be people who have no idea what most of the basses you mention are, imagine that projected forward. The only way a Lull jazz will be worth more than they are now will be when a new Fender Jazz costs over £4k with inflation imo.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:42 PM

I think the new US Fender Precision in 'Antique Olive' and the Jazz in 'Sonic Grey' will eventually be more desirable than their standard colour siblings, because those specific colours will be synonymous with 2017.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 05:32 PM

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 05:40 PM

View Postthodrik, on 12 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Hmm, probably Fender and Gibson custom shop models if nothing else. In about ten years I would suspect that 1980s Fenders will become sought after even though they not highly thought of at the moment.

As said above as well, any original bass made by a 'boutique' luthier before they retire: Fodera, Sadowsky, Ritter, Carl Thompson, Mike Lull etc.

I agree. We're already seeing 70s Fenders increase in price despite the build quality of that era being abysmal. Inevitable that 80s Fenders will do the same. Expect Ps to rise more significantly as Js were popular during that era.

I'm not sure whether boutique basses will ever reach significant resale prices unless they're associated with particular players - Status/ Mark King - though I expect them to remain niche instruments with players. We really need to have a plane crash with all the known builders on for boutique bass prices to jump....and NO, THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION!!!

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 06:29 PM

Luthiers without their own model will probably be less sought after than those that are known for their own merit.
Wal, MTD, Ritter and some others will attract more collectors than those that make their own jazz version and barely anything distinctive.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 06:44 PM

Definitely Ritter.

Some of his stuff wouldn't look out of place in an art gallery and I can imagine a time when even non bassists may wish to collect his work, purely in the context of its aesthetic appeal.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:34 PM

Certain models and colours of Musicman basses.

Wal basses.

I fully expect to see the value of old Fenders (indeed the whole vintage thing) to change - the volume of people who currently buy them for nostalgia purposes rather than as musicians are likely reducing. The same demographic change has hit the value of most collectibles from the 40s/50s era. As with antiques, values change with changing tastes and demographics.


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:45 PM

80's Japanese stuff is becoming more and more desirable, Westone Thunder 1's being offered up at £400+ The worlds gone crazy! Thing is if people keep offering them up for silly money then the ones priced well over what they were a few years ago suddenly start looking more attractive and the assumed market value moves up.

Look at Stingrays at the moment, most private sellers on Ebay are asking more for their standard basses than Andy Baxter is asking for the same basses, I think that suggests that in the current market most Stingrays are over priced? Another example being the USA made Sub bass, they are starting to appear upwards of £500 at the moment, they were £300 or so a couple of years back, I know that I have said Stingrays are overpriced at the moment so we seem to be seeing the SUB model moving into the territory where the prime models used to be found

Fender Precision lyte's are being offered for silly money at the moment with beaten up incomplete examples being offered up for £400+ double what they fetched a couple of years ago.

Prices for gear in general seems to be a lot higher than it was a couple of years ago, whether any of it sells is a different matter!
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:59 PM

As long as the rest of you don't go out and buy Squier Jazz CVs in Inca Silver I could be sitting on a gold (silver?) mine sometime in the future... I'm hoping they'll be the next JV series going for silly money.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 08:42 PM

I think as far as recent and new bands are concerned the die's been cast already. Retro Fenders, Musicman and Gibson and I wouldn't expect that to change.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 09:37 PM

The price of brand new US made basses, and especially the better Fenders, Custom Shop, Musicman, and I guess everything else is influenced by changing exchange rates, new CITES requirements and other factors - basically the price is going up and I don't think we've seen what it will settle at.

Thus the used price is likely to rise also. This may take them out of reach of some people.

I would have though Warwick, Spector and Sadowski basses would continue to be sought after along with G and L and Lakland.

You can also see how the bass market is dwarfed by guitars just by looking at the displays in large retail stores.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:30 AM

Always Fenders... they will always be the oldest.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:05 AM

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:49 AM

Ask a 14 y/o to show you pictures of the bands they like. They will hanker after the basses those bass players are playing.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 09:30 AM

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I reckon the US Fender 2012 - 16 Series may well become a bit like the JVs, as imo they really upped their game on these ones, both Precision and Jazz alike.

I'd argue it was upped from the 2008 onwards, as that's where the bigger difference came in imo.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:05 PM

View Posthiram.k.hackenbacker, on 12 March 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

....and Carl Thompson.

I don't think so, for the same reason that I don't think that Sei basses will ever be really sought after once Martin Peterson stops making them; for the reason that they are too individual.

The reason that Wal basses fit the profile is the fact that there is essentially one model (with a few variations) and irrespective of the top woods used the things that make a Wal what it is, the body shape, the pickups and the pre-amp are consistent from one example to the next.

For that reason, should a big name bass player (or two) ever start using a Gus bass exclusively, then they will achieve the same status as Wal because there is little non-cosmetic variation from one example to the next. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 10 or so years with Gus. Simon Farmer got a lot of rather useful publicity out of the fact that Prince used one of his guitars very briefly at his last ever gig.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 02:26 PM

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I don't think so, for the same reason that I don't think that Sei basses will ever be really sought after once Martin Peterson stops making them; for the reason that they are too individual.

The reason that Wal basses fit the profile is the fact that there is essentially one model (with a few variations) and irrespective of the top woods used the things that make a Wal what it is, the body shape, the pickups and the pre-amp are consistent from one example to the next.

For that reason, should a big name bass player (or two) ever start using a Gus bass exclusively, then they will achieve the same status as Wal because there is little non-cosmetic variation from one example to the next. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 10 or so years with Gus. Simon Farmer got a lot of rather useful publicity out of the fact that Prince used one of his guitars very briefly at his last ever gig.

I don't really know anything about Gus basses, so can't really comment. I agree Wal fit the profile perfectly. You don't tend to see any of them hanging around for sale for very long unless they are unrealistically priced.

I think CT basses may be a little bit niche, but they are quite sought after now and Carl is still with us. It may have something to do with the time it takes for them to appear. One things for sure, once Carl is no longer with us, that's it. Only a relatively small finite number will be out there. I would love a fretted four.

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