ericlemes Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hi all, I'm absolutely new to this forum and just joined because a trade I made with a member (very successful one by the way). I'm an experienced non professional player and more or less play for fun on rock or jazz bands. Recently playing with some jazz jams, bands around Oxford and enjoying a lot. Recently I bumped in a slightly problem with this tune. I've bought a Vintage fretless Jaco Pastorius tribute bass (I don't have that big demand for fretless, despite the jazz gigs) which technically has 20 or 21 frets (or fretlines, I don't have the bass here to confirm). I found this tab here (http://www.bigbasstabs.com/weather_report_bass_tabs/a_remark_you_made.html) which seems more or less accurate and.... unfortunately I ran out of frets to play higher notes. And a whole tone bend at that position of the scale doesn't seem very possible for me. Does anyone has an idea what exactly is used to play this tune? A different tuning or maybe a different bass? Cheers, Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 He used an octave divider for some things... probably this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hey Eric Your username looks like an ancient Greek name.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericlemes Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 [quote name='dlloyd' timestamp='1490106767' post='3262198'] He used an octave divider for some things... probably this. [/quote] I was looking for some videos, and most of the Octave/Octave divider effects only creates a lower octave. I'm not sure about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericlemes Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 [quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1490106925' post='3262203'] Hey Eric Your username looks like an ancient Greek name.. [/quote] Not the case... but good to know ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I thought the top note was an Eb? Accessible on any 34" Fender, so no need for an Octave Pedal. It's been a long time since I played this, but I don't seem to remember running out of frets or lines on my Fender Jazz Bass. Just been having a listen. Apart from the lovely playing from a Jaco, I forgot what a terrific solo it was from Wayne Shorter. It's funny how you miss things over the years. Just noticed the harmony line that Jaco plays along with his Melody at 04:22. http://youtu.be/boNCY0Ai44M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 What a lovely tune - only just listened to 'Heavy Weather' this week for the first time and this tune really stood out. Must learn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Woodcock Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hi Eric, I'm guessing you mean the unison line with the saxophone? The notes higher than the Eb are played as artificial harmonics, you can see it in great detail in the clip below: http://youtu.be/F02mBkBoMQw?t=1m42s By the way, no bends - all articulations are either slides or hammer ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Jaco did a lot of strange things like split harmonics etc, difficult to tell without a video of him playing the song all the way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 They don't sound like harmonics on the studio version. I'd be very surprised if he didn't play with tunings a lot. I know he did it for Portrait of Tracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 [quote name='Stickman' timestamp='1490114593' post='3262293'] Hi Eric, I'm guessing you mean the unison line with the saxophone? The notes higher than the Eb are played as artificial harmonics, you can see it in great detail in the clip below: http://youtu.be/F02mBkBoMQw?t=1m42s By the way, no bends - all articulations are either slides or hammer ons. [/quote] I just to listened to the live version you posted. It's slightly different from the studio version? On the studio version he doesn't play the unison harmonics line after he hits that top Eb. Well, he does play a long harmonic, with a pizz Eb (x2) underneath. Unless I am hearing it wrong (on my iPad), then my apologies, and carry on... (I am drivelling on about the first unison section, at around 02:00). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1490119349' post='3262364'] They don't sound like harmonics on the studio version. I'd be very surprised if he didn't play with tunings a lot. I know he did it for Portrait of Tracy. [/quote] Haha....you beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 If he is playing it differently live that would suggest anything could have been done on the studio version. Tuning, effects, studio tricks etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Woodcock Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 [quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1490119537' post='3262367'] I just to listened to the live version you posted. It's slightly different from the studio version? On the studio version he doesn't play the unison harmonics line after he hits that top Eb. Well, he does play a long harmonic, with a pizz Eb (x2) underneath. Unless I am hearing it wrong (on my iPad), then my apologies, and carry on... (I am drivelling on about the first unison section, at around 02:00). [/quote] It's been a few years since I last played this so I just grabbed my bass to check and I stand by my comment they are false harmonics - you can hear it in the attack at the very beginning of the note, there is a slight 'thud' before the note rings out; the notes I am talking about are the F, hammering on to the G then back to the F at 2:08, the slide to C is [i]not[/i] a harmonic, but the following F is. I'll write this out in notation and post it here if I have time later. I haven't compared the live version - I just posted it as it showed the technique used - but I would expect this to be different to the studio cut, it is jazz after all [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1490119349' post='3262364'] They don't sound like harmonics on the studio version. I'd be very surprised if he didn't play with tunings a lot. I know he did it for Portrait of Tracy. [/quote] Again, I haven't played Portrait in a long while, but I recall that is in standard tuning. Of course this isn't to say that he didn't use alternate tunings - Black Crow is tuned down to Eb for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It's an artificial harmonic. Fret the note and play the harmonic twelve frets higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Dunno how it is played, but I want it played in my funeral. It does not get any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 [quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1490106925' post='3262203'] Hey Eric Your username looks like an ancient Greek name.. [/quote] Manacles Tentacles Spectacles Testi... I'll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 [quote name='Bolo' timestamp='1490139005' post='3262648'] Manacles Tentacles Spectacles Testi... I'll get my coat. [/quote] ...testiclemes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Woodcock Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 As promised, here is my transcription of the unison line: [attachment=241304:A Remark You Made.png] *Diamond shape note heads indicate artificial harmonics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I posted the whole transcription here seven years ago. http://basschat.co.uk/topic/83558-a-remark-you-made/page__fromsearch__1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) [quote name='Stickman' timestamp='1490147986' post='3262685'] As promised, here is my transcription of the unison line: [attachment=241304:A Remark You Made.png] *Diamond shape note heads indicate artificial harmonics [/quote] Thanks for that. I have just had a good listen and yes, you are correct. Some double tracking going on as well (unless it's a Bass Synth). In the second bar of your chart, there are some long root and inversion Bass notes that enter (Gmi7 onwards...) Also, did you catch the sneaky (9th) Bb harmonic on the second beat of the third bar ? Things I haven't really noticed before. [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1490167496' post='3262700'] I posted the whole transcription here seven years ago. [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/83558-a-remark-you-made/page__fromsearch__1"]http://basschat.co.u...__fromsearch__1[/url] [/quote] You just cleared up a mystery in my household. My older boy started to learn this Weather Report tune a few weeks ago. He was using this/your chart for a guide. I hadn't a clue were the PDF came from. Now I know. A seven year old download !! Edited March 22, 2017 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Woodcock Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 [quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1490181672' post='3262894'] In the second bar of your chart, there are some long root and inversion Bass notes that enter (Gmi7 onwards...) Also, did you catch the sneaky (9th) Bb harmonic on the second beat of the third bar ? Things I haven't really noticed before. [/quote] In the right channel? Both things you mention are Rhodes piano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's lovely to see one's work benefitting others so far down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericlemes Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 [quote name='Stickman' timestamp='1490147986' post='3262685'] As promised, here is my transcription of the unison line: [attachment=241304:A Remark You Made.png] *Diamond shape note heads indicate artificial harmonics [/quote] Dude, you solved the mystery. Thank you very much, now I have a very good reason to work on artificial harmonics. Thank you very much for your time and dedication ;-) Cheers Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMG456 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Or just get a fretless with a two octave neck! I suspect that's why I have never noticed this before. Really interesting thread about one of my favourite Jaco tunes. Thanks for posting. Now away to checkout Black Crow for non standard tunings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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