Jump to content


Synth Bass


90 replies to this topic

#1 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 08 April 2017 - 10:20 AM

I have a hankering for synth bass. I've tried just about every pedal going and have come to the conclusion that I'm better off buying a dedicated synth keyboard and just playing that.
Problem is I'm not sure what I need, it's a whole different world.
Initially I'm only going to need it for a few covers; Human League, Depeche Mode, and a couple of slightly more modern pop songs, but ultimately would like to branch out and use it more.

Things I'm thinking about are:
Novation Bass station 2
Novation Mini Nova
Microkorg XL
Moog Minitaur

Can anyone with any knowledge of the above or other products chip in to steer me in the right direction.

Edited by NoirBass, 08 April 2017 - 10:29 AM.


#2 RhysP

    Forum Addict

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,731 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cardiff, Wales, UK

Posted 08 April 2017 - 11:21 AM

If you don't mind mini keys it's worth having a look at some of the Arturia stuff.

#3 markstuk

    Hyper elite member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,026 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Banbury Oxon
  • Interests:Bass, Keyboards, Motorcycling, Shooting, Reading and Gliding

Posted 08 April 2017 - 11:45 AM

Also the Dave Smith mopho keyboard..
Banburyshire

Dingwall ABZ5 Natural with John East P-retro - 4326 (DOB 27th of July 2010).. Custom Jazz 5/J-retro/big singles Dingwall Z3 - 4589 - DOB 28/12/2011

TC RH750 / Glockenklang Heart Rock II

Barefaced Super Twelve T/Tecamp 810/Barefaced Gen 1 Compact

Yamaha CP300/Roland AX-Synth


Basschat Feedback

Ebay Feedback (900 odd/100%)

#4 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 08 April 2017 - 03:23 PM

Those both look really good, unfortunately that just expands the possibilities and leaves me even more unsure 😐.

#5 bjelkeman

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 209 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Stockholm
  • Interests:Bassist wannabe.

Posted 08 April 2017 - 09:54 PM

I have been thinking the same. The Bass station looks awesome.
Ibanez basses (a dozen), Mesa Carbine, TKS, Darkglass Some pics. A visit to Mayones and a second visit to Darkglass.

#6 bartelby

    Hyper elite member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,764 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Penperlleni

Posted 09 April 2017 - 07:43 AM

View PostNoirBass, on 08 April 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Those both look really good, unfortunately that just expands the possibilities and leaves me even more unsure ��.

Will you want to play more than one note at the same time?

as that can thin the selection down...

Edited by bartelby, 09 April 2017 - 07:44 AM.


#7 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:48 AM

I don't think so, a monosynth would be fine. I have an old roland module that I could use if I need polyphonic stuff. I'd like a dedicated bass synth. ��

Edited by NoirBass, 24 April 2017 - 09:18 AM.


#8 BigRedX

    RockinRollin VampireMan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,607 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nottingham

Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:52 AM

Nord Lead - any version

My Music:
Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


#9 bartelby

    Hyper elite member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,764 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Penperlleni

Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:57 AM

View PostNoirBass, on 09 April 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

I don't think so, a monosynth would be fine. I have an old roland module that I could use if I need polyphonic stuff. I'd like a dedicated bass synth. ��

In that case the world is your oyster.

I've got an Arturia MiniBrute that I'm very impressed with.

#10 CameronJ

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 488 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 09 April 2017 - 01:59 PM

I think I'll be following in your footsteps at some point Noir, and at the moment the Bass Station 2 is top of my list with an Ultranova in a close second place. My toss-up at the moment is mono vs. poly, which is a bigger deal for me as I won't have another synth to take poly duties...
Yamaha BB1025x
Ibanez BTB33
Yamaha RBX774
Tanglewood TAB 1 CE (Acoustic Bass)
TC Electronic BH800
Tecamp Puma 900
TKS 1126
Phil Jones BigHead
Probably too many effects...

Roland FA-06
TC Helicon Voicelive Touch 2

#11 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:55 PM

I think the bass station 2 is my favourite so far. The price, analogue engine and ability to store presets seem to be the perfect combo. Just need to try one out.

#12 funkgod

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 811 posts
  • Location:merseyside

Posted 23 April 2017 - 11:39 AM

Ah good subject,
i am writing songs for a funk band and its nice to get some of them fat synth bass sounds on some tracks.
we are just releasing a new track with such a synth bass sound, and have been through the mill of trying
various sounds without spending too much cash, so have synth pedals by boss and tc and have old rack synth gear by novation, korg,
And the best thing i have found is..... do your own.
the best thing i have to do this which is a fantastic bit of kit is a AKAI Z4 sampler, the last one and best one that was ever made
the Z4 or Z8
check them out
These ones also have dedicated pc software to make editing a doddle and is still free from akai called akai sys
http://akaipro.com/p...ct/z4#downloads
Akai have all them moog and big fat bass sounds anyway, but you can very easy sample bass sounds you like and add other bass sounds to it making them even fatter, the whole world is open to you with this.
you can get them on ebay now and again, and i would say worth every penny for another 1000 other reasons.
Just a quick check on ebay i found this just sold for £140 ! less than the price of a synth pedal....... its a no brainer.
that ALOT of potential for 140 and still with great backup from AKAI
http://www.ebay.co.u...0IAAOSw~CFY5jp9

In terms of what else this can also do i would say it will be the best 140 you will ever spend,

loads of stuff on youtube

Edited by funkgod, 23 April 2017 - 11:53 AM.


#13 Woodinblack

    Hyper elite member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The bottom of somerset
  • Interests:Oh.. stuff..

Posted 23 April 2017 - 11:57 AM

I do samples on the iPad, but also chords and keys from a footpedal, normally using thor or iM1.
Maruszczyk Elwood5/24
Ibanez SR5005, SRFF805, SR1605, SR1000EWM, SRF705, SRC6, ATK305, ICB08
Squier CV P Bass,
Epiphone Thunderbird Classic iV
Hohner B2,
G&L2500
Roland GR55
.. and lots and lots of guitars

Amps and cabs by those lovely TC Electronic people

Feedback

#14 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:23 AM

Right, little update.

I've picked up a Bass Station 2. It seems perfect, many of the preset sounds do exactly what I want anyway.

With a little bit of tweaking I can refine them, and I seem to understand what I'm doing (largely due to the excellent layout of the BS2) as in when I want to adjust something I seem to be able to find it quickly and get what I'm after. Time will tell as I'm, yet to gig it, but first impressions are very promising.

I'll report back soon.

#15 BassAgent

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 415 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, The Netherlands
  • Interests:Music of all sorts, Monty Python, pointless facts

Posted 27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM

For that price, get a Bass Station. The Minitaur sounds great but I think a huge downside is the fact that you can't see what preset you're working with. And you need a good midi keyboard to work with ;) I have a Moog Sub Phatty which is heavier, sounds better and feels more solid than the Bass Station, but it's a lot more expensive as well ;)
http://www.hidderoorda.nl

Basses:
1966 Fender Jazz Bass - refin
1972 Fender Precision Bass - refin & refret
2013 Fender Bass VI Japan (FOR SALE)
2001 Fender Standard Jazz Bass fretless - Gotoh bridge, Lollar pickups and pickguard
2014 De Gier Bebop 5
2001 Blade B2 Tetra Bass - Nordstrand pickups & Aguilar OBP-1
2001 Yamaha BB N5II
1987 Eko BA4 fretless

Amp:
Eich T500
Eich 112XS
Eich 112XS

Synth:
Moog Sub Phatty

#16 prowla

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 402 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Berkshire

Posted 30 April 2017 - 07:07 AM

I have a Minitaur and it does what it does; I'm planning to get a KMI 12 Step to play it, as I can't select things with my current Ketron pedals. I don't want a computer in the loop, though.

I've also got a Roland SH-32 and it is a pretty awesome piece of kit.

#17 AustinArto

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 235 posts

Posted 01 May 2017 - 07:09 PM

I've had a BS2 for a couple of years, it's a great little synth for the price and nice and light and portable for those of us doubling on synth and bass guitar. Really easy to use too. I wish it had a three octave keyboard though, I don't know why everything's got two octaves now, v. irritating.

#18 prowla

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 402 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Berkshire

Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:24 PM

I also have a Peavey Spectrum; whilst noodling around with it, I found that it has a "multi" mode, which means that it'll work on the same channel as another instrument; I had it and my Minitaur doubling up - that was interesting!

#19 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 05 June 2017 - 03:54 PM

Gigged the Bass Station 2 a couple of times now, it is excellent, spot on for my needs.

Even used it as mentioned in the original post for some Depeche Mode tunes, it was great fun and the entire band agreed the sound was perfect and greatly enhanced the song.

#20 CameronJ

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 488 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 08 June 2017 - 02:33 AM

Hey Noir, have you tried powering your BS2 off of a pedalboard power supply? It should be doable as it takes a standard 9v centre negative input and only draws 300mA.
Yamaha BB1025x
Ibanez BTB33
Yamaha RBX774
Tanglewood TAB 1 CE (Acoustic Bass)
TC Electronic BH800
Tecamp Puma 900
TKS 1126
Phil Jones BigHead
Probably too many effects...

Roland FA-06
TC Helicon Voicelive Touch 2

#21 Kiwi

    Big, bouncy and now officially "dangerous".

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,611 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Hunan Province, China.
  • Interests:DIY dentishtry. Competitive throat clearing, road raging at Chinese drivers.

Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:26 AM

Have you considered Industrial Radio? Steve Chick has developed the systems originally in the Wal MB4 and Peavey Cyberbass and marketed them under his own brand.
Bass: Self built 5-string semi hollow headless, '79 Alembic Series 1 graphite, '78 Musicman Stingray, '86 Pangborn Warlord graphite, '93 Pedulla Pentabuzz, '09 Shuker Headless 6 MIDI (signed by Lee Sklar, Doug Wimbish and Billy Sheehan),'00 Spector NS5CR, '90 Status Series 1 5 string.
Backline: EBS Microbass, FEA Labs Dual Band compressor, Future Impact bass synth, Zoom B3 into two Genz Benz Shuttle 6's and two fEARful F112 cabs, Trace Elliot Hexavalve, two Burman Pro4000HD 140w valve heads

Guitar: Alan Knight 'Hitmaker' tribute, Klein-berger replica with sustainer, Warmoth HSS Strat (signed by Nile Rodgers), Yamaha MSG Deluxe Mk 1, Yamaha MSG Deluxe Mk 2
Backline: Effectrode PC2A compressor, Empress Parametric Eq, Amptweaker Tight Rock, Joyo JF14 American Sound, Zoom G3X, Lexicon MPXG2 + R1 foot controller, Ibanez TSA5 x2 Burman Pro 501 50w combo and Fender Concert II (Rivera era)

Studio: Yamaha CS6R synth module, Axon AX100 pitch to MIDI, Burman GX3 preamp, Lexicon MPXG2 and MIDIman 16ch mixer, Ableton Live + soft synths

#22 BigRedX

    RockinRollin VampireMan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,607 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nottingham

Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:25 AM

View PostKiwi, on 08 June 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

Have you considered Industrial Radio? Steve Chick has developed the systems originally in the Wal MB4 and Peavey Cyberbass and marketed them under his own brand.

You still need a synth the generate the sounds though.

My Music:
Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


#23 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:28 PM

View PostKiwi, on 08 June 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

Have you considered Industrial Radio? Steve Chick has developed the systems originally in the Wal MB4 and Peavey Cyberbass and marketed them under his own brand.

I sure have, prohibitively expensive for me though. I'm only using it for the odd section or song, and the BS2 sounds bang on. Plus, I'm really enjoying having to play/learn a different instrument.

I should clarify that I have tried before this a VB-99, GR-55, Deep Impact, Future Impact, Korg G5, plus a myriad of other pedals.

Edited by NoirBass, 08 June 2017 - 12:38 PM.


#24 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:39 PM

View PostCameronJ, on 08 June 2017 - 02:33 AM, said:

Hey Noir, have you tried powering your BS2 off of a pedalboard power supply? It should be doable as it takes a standard 9v centre negative input and only draws 300mA.

No, good to know incase the supplied PSU fails. Cheers

#25 CameronJ

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 488 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:17 PM

View PostNoirBass, on 08 June 2017 - 12:39 PM, said:



No, good to know incase the supplied PSU fails. Cheers

No problem, let us know how it works out. Hopefully I'll be getting myself a BS2 soon and I want to power it off my board.
Yamaha BB1025x
Ibanez BTB33
Yamaha RBX774
Tanglewood TAB 1 CE (Acoustic Bass)
TC Electronic BH800
Tecamp Puma 900
TKS 1126
Phil Jones BigHead
Probably too many effects...

Roland FA-06
TC Helicon Voicelive Touch 2

#26 mr zed

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 540 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bolton
  • Interests:All things Bass and motorcycles.

Posted 09 June 2017 - 01:30 PM

I'm also looking into getting hold of a synth and the Bass Station 2 looks as though it will meet my needs. I'm trying to achieve this...



I assume that the BS2 will give me this sound and that I can't do this with a pedal? I also need to replicate this sound...



Thanks in advance.
Basses

Musicman 25th Anniversary HSS 4 string (2009) - flame/maple
Fender Precision American Standard 4 string (2015) - olympic white/rosewood/tort
Fender Jazz American Standard 4 string (2012) - olympic white/maple/tort
Harley Benton Progressive 5 string (2015) - white/rosewood/black
Double Bass of unknown origin

Effects

Nope

Wireless

Stageclix pack wireless guitar bass system (for sale)
Sennheiser G2 IEM/1964 Ears Qi's

Amplification

Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0
Bergantino HD210

Motorbikes

Suzuki GSXR 1000 motogp replica (2016)
Triumph Bonneville T100 (2014)

Feedback : http://basschat.co.u..._1#entry1497532

#27 Sibob

    Beyond hope

  • Global Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,348 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:High Wycombe / Hemel Hempstead / London

Posted 09 June 2017 - 03:25 PM

Loving all the BSII love (i'm a Novation employee for the sake of transparency).
Unofficially (because it's 3rd party paid content), check out Darrell Freeman's excellent patch-pack aimed at bassists. Obviously these sounds work in other octaves, but my understanding is that Darrell specifically designed the sounds in our octaves ;)

www.synthbass.com
https://www.youtube....h?v=OlbbvTGNw6o

Cheers
Si

BassChat Terms and Conditions



Lakland | Fender | Markbass | Barefaced



Instagram/Twitter: @SimonRPoulton | Blog (Bassist Interviews etc)


#28 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 09 June 2017 - 03:33 PM

View Postmr zed, on 09 June 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

I'm also looking into getting hold of a synth and the Bass Station 2 looks as though it will meet my needs. I'm trying to achieve this...



I assume that the BS2 will give me this sound and that I can't do this with a pedal? I also need to replicate this sound...



Thanks in advance.

Yep, the BS2 will nail those sounds and you can use the arpeggiator to get the fast 16ths.

#29 NoirBass

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 09 June 2017 - 03:34 PM

View PostSibob, on 09 June 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

Loving all the BSII love (i'm a Novation employee for the sake of transparency).
Unofficially (because it's 3rd party paid content), check out Darrell Freeman's excellent patch-pack aimed at bassists. Obviously these sounds work in other octaves, but my understanding is that Darrell specifically designed the sounds in our octaves ;)

www.synthbass.com
https://www.youtube....h?v=OlbbvTGNw6o

Cheers
Si

Nice one Si, I'll check that out.

#30 mr zed

    Fully fledged member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 540 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bolton
  • Interests:All things Bass and motorcycles.

Posted 09 June 2017 - 04:25 PM

View PostNoirBass, on 09 June 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:



Yep, the BS2 will nail those sounds and you can use the arpeggiator to get the fast 16ths.

Perfect - thanks for that. The less said about my current bands taste in material the better!
Basses

Musicman 25th Anniversary HSS 4 string (2009) - flame/maple
Fender Precision American Standard 4 string (2015) - olympic white/rosewood/tort
Fender Jazz American Standard 4 string (2012) - olympic white/maple/tort
Harley Benton Progressive 5 string (2015) - white/rosewood/black
Double Bass of unknown origin

Effects

Nope

Wireless

Stageclix pack wireless guitar bass system (for sale)
Sennheiser G2 IEM/1964 Ears Qi's

Amplification

Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0
Bergantino HD210

Motorbikes

Suzuki GSXR 1000 motogp replica (2016)
Triumph Bonneville T100 (2014)

Feedback : http://basschat.co.u..._1#entry1497532





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users