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Posted 15 June 2017 - 10:49 PM

Might be a silly question but anyone tried the Boss SY300 (if like me, not really wanting to add to my gear carrying with keyboards/stands etc...)?
http://www.soundonso...ews/boss-sy-300
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:19 AM

View PostBass Wielder, on 15 June 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

Might be a silly question but anyone tried the Boss SY300 (if like me, not really wanting to add to my gear carrying with keyboards/stands etc...)?
http://www.soundonso...ews/boss-sy-300

I'll be honest, I've not tried the SY300 and judging by the demos, it does look good. That said, the approach I'm now taking is - If you want to sound like a Synth, use a Synth. Rather than trying to make my bass 'sound' a bit like a Synth.

As I've also said previously, I'm really enjoying the challenge of getting to know and use a different instrument.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:07 AM

Has anyone gigged using a MIDI keyboard running through Logic/Mainstage? Some of the synth bass sounds in Logic are super fat!
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:17 AM

I have for specific short gigs (using mainstage). Worked very well
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:37 AM

Space being at a premium for many bass players, my former firm KeyShyyyk invented woolen guernseys with a keyboard pattern knitted in on the front and MIDI wiring or similar coming out at the back.

Great gear for live situations, but many punters sadly thought it was just show, and that we had a backing tape. :(

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- with resistance threads woven in: the WoolKiey,
- with physical pressure points behind the wool: the KeyBacka.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:48 AM

View PostBassTractor, on 16 June 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

Space being at a premium for many bass players, my former firm KeyShyyyk invented woolen guernseys with a keyboard pattern knitted in on the front and MIDI wiring or similar coming out at the back.

Great gear for live situations, but many punters sadly thought it was just show, and that we had a backing tape. :(

We had two models:
- with resistance threads woven in: the WoolKiey,
- with physical pressure points behind the wool: the KeyBacka.

:mellow:

Please tell me you have photos?

On the subject of the SY300 - I loosely considered it, watched a few demos, sounded good. Until I saw the price tag and realised I could buy at least 2 small keyboard synths with the money it costs.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:50 AM

I have the behringer clone, it sounds fine. Not the same as a keyboard though. I also have the GR55 synth, but again, its a different sort of thing.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:36 AM

View PostWoodinblack, on 16 June 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

I have the behringer clone, it sounds fine. Not the same as a keyboard though. I also have the GR55 synth, but again, its a different sort of thing.

I assume you are thinking of the Boss SYB-5 that you have the Behringer clone of, the post above is asking about the Boss SY300:
http://www.soundonso...ews/boss-sy-300
Quite a different product.

Edited by NoirBass, 16 June 2017 - 09:37 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:39 AM

Ah yes, my mistake, I skim read and thats what I thought. I saw the SY300 when it came out and thought it was interesting, but there wasn't much information on its performance with bass. ANd also having the GR55 already, I had explored that avenue a bit, although obviously the convenience of not having to put the GK pickup on would be good.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:43 AM

View PostWoodinblack, on 16 June 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Ah yes, my mistake, I skim read and thats what I thought. I saw the SY300 when it came out and thought it was interesting, but there wasn't much information on its performance with bass. ANd also having the GR55 already, I had explored that avenue a bit, although obviously the convenience of not having to put the GK pickup on would be good.

The tracking appears to be very good, better maybe than the GR-55 even. This chap seems to have it working very crisply, not sure I'm that keen on the actual sounds though:
https://www.youtube....h?v=TvzEVazR4Uo

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:05 AM

Tracking does seem good (not that the GR-55 is bad if you have the pickup well set up). The sounds aren't good at all, but they can be modified to do something better as long as the basic tracking is there in the first place.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:57 PM

Why am I getting Sub Phatty GAS when I know the BS2 does everything I want and more? Damn you Bob Moog.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:08 PM

Careful with that. I had a hankering for one of those but you know what happens? Every review of it you read will say 'oh this is one of the best synth sounds until the Sub37 came along' and 'this has a good keyboard, obviously not as good as the Sub37' and 'the sounds are in a class all of their own, only eclipsed by the Sub37' - and you know where that madness leads...
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:26 PM

You speak much sense. There is absolutely no way I can justify the ~£1000 used for a Sub37. The Sub Phatty is running at circa £600 used as it is, and that's more than I've ever spent on a bass. Madness. BS2 It is then :lol:

I can't forget the compelling possibility of powering a BS2 from my pedalboard which I can't do with any of the Moogs. Can't even do it with the Ultranova to be fair. Well, I could, but it runs on 12v and I frankly can't be arsed dealing with the hassle of that.
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:50 PM

...and then I start reading about the Subsequent 37 :lol:
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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:13 PM

View PostCameronJ, on 18 June 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

...and then I start reading about the Subsequent 37 :lol:

Been there, did that. Luckily decided I was going the wrong way!
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:41 AM

Been hankering for a Moog synth ever since I sold my Moog Bass Murf & LPF (now those 2 with an octave & you have some fantastic synth bass right from your bass guitar).
I've kinda subdued it a bit by having a NI S88 & using Monark, which is a great VST version of the Phatty.

Now though, I've been watching more Roli videos & hankering for a Rise 49. Great for synth bass & replacing the real bass too!

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:54 AM

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Now though, I've been watching more Roli videos & hankering for a Rise 49. Great for synth bass & replacing the real bass too!

Been looking at the blocks 25 as a replacement for my artiphon. First time I tried the rise I wasn't impressed, but spent some time with it in PMT Bristol a few months ago and it was really good. Very expensive though so I suspect I will never get one!
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:58 AM

View PostWoodinblack, on 19 June 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

Been looking at the blocks 25 as a replacement for my artiphon. First time I tried the rise I wasn't impressed, but spent some time with it in PMT Bristol a few months ago and it was really good. Very expensive though so I suspect I will never get one!
I was going to get a Rise about 1 1/2 years ago, but ended up getting a Native Instruments S88.
The S88 is a great keyboard, but sometimes I regret not going for the Rise.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:19 AM

Although I find the Rise fascinating, and would love to own one, I question whether it would be good as an only or even main keyboard. It is fantastically expressive, and I found it totally absorbing, but it is also a weird thing to play and most keyboard work is probably easier on fixed keys without that expression.

As a second keyboard though, it would be excelent
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:32 AM

+1 on the Roli boards be a fascinating experience. Who knows, with some good old fashioned practice I'm sure one could become comfortable enough with it for use as a main gigging board. For me though, the price is seriously prohibitive. £599 for the 25 key version and that's just a controller - no internal sounds (!!) All the way up to around £2500 for the Grand. Which, by the way, isn't even "grand" technically speaking as it only has 61 keys. At least it actually produces its own noise though. Can you tell I won't be buying one? :lol:

There are some videos of virtuoso players getting incredible things out of them - Cory Henry being an example. Worth a watch!
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:07 PM

I played the 49 key one in PMT. I am not a virtuoso player but I got something out of it that was different to any other keyboard I have played that was worth having in 5 minutes playing it. That would be the perfect one for me.

It doesn't have sounds but it does have a synth engine for a laptop. which is pretty good.

However, yes, the price is very over the top (but understandable considering what it is). On ebay, 500 or less I would get a 49, other than that it wouldn't happen!
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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:44 PM

Guys, there a BS2 in the for sale section. Get it quick!

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:44 PM

Dupe post

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:47 PM

I've also got a Roland SH-32 vintage synth unit which I can play with my Roland PK-5A pedals; it's got loads of sounds and a really good Tom Sawyer patch.

The Minitaur does "Clocks" OK https://youtu.be/z5eEXbGUPCk; with the PK-5A you can set the "Mono" to one octave and the "Poly" to another, so flipping octaves is easy.

In fact, you can set the "mono" to one MIDI channel and the "Poly" to another and so switch between synths with one button.

Edited by prowla, 19 June 2017 - 09:48 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2017 - 02:24 PM

Still scouring the 'bay for a BS2 deal...started veering towards an Ultranova and still tossing up between the two. Trouble is, there aren't all that many demos online of the Ultra's bass capabilities vs the BS2! Not making the decision any easier.
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 09:24 PM

View Postprowla, on 19 June 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

I've also got a Roland SH-32 vintage synth unit which I can play with my Roland PK-5A pedals; it's got loads of sounds and a really good Tom Sawyer patch.

The Minitaur does "Clocks" OK https://youtu.be/z5eEXbGUPCk; with the PK-5A you can set the "Mono" to one octave and the "Poly" to another, so flipping octaves is easy.

In fact, you can set the "mono" to one MIDI channel and the "Poly" to another and so switch between synths with one button.
I've got a Minitaur, I'd be really interested in a pic of yours with your Clocks patch.
I've still got my SH-32 as well. Roland made a gem with that one.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 01:18 PM

Clocks is just the Taurus preset sound.

On my PK-5A pedals, I set the "Mono" to the lower octave and the "Poly" to the higher one; then it's just a matter of playing the notes like they do in the video ("Poly", 1st two notes, "Mono", next three notes, "Poly", first two notes of the next phrase, and so-on); I only figured the main riff and not the backing to the guitar bit (I think it's just an "E", but am not sure).

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:34 PM

View Postprowla, on 14 August 2017 - 01:18 PM, said:

Clocks is just the Taurus preset sound.

On my PK-5A pedals, I set the "Mono" to the lower octave and the "Poly" to the higher one; then it's just a matter of playing the notes like they do in the video ("Poly", 1st two notes, "Mono", next three notes, "Poly", first two notes of the next phrase, and so-on); I only figured the main riff and not the backing to the guitar bit (I think it's just an "E", but am not sure).
There is a bit more going on in the guitar bit between the E and B IIRC. Since John Hackett stopped touring with Steve the keyboard player's covered that part.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:34 PM

View PostBassTractor, on 16 June 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

Space being at a premium for many bass players, my former firm KeyShyyyk invented woolen guernseys with a keyboard pattern knitted in on the front and MIDI wiring or similar coming out at the back.

Great gear for live situations, but many punters sadly thought it was just show, and that we had a backing tape. :(

We had two models:
- with resistance threads woven in: the WoolKiey,
- with physical pressure points behind the wool: the KeyBacka.

:mellow:

View PostCameronJ, on 16 June 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Please tell me you have photos?

On the subject of the SY300 - I loosely considered it, watched a few demos, sounded good. Until I saw the price tag and realised I could buy at least 2 small keyboard synths with the money it costs.


Sorry, CameronJ, for not having responded. I simply forgot.
Sadly it was just a joke. If one knows one's Star Wars, then the words KeyShyyyk, WoolKiey and KeyBacka might easily be associated with those films.

That said, it was only partly a joke.
My wife and I did start developing these products, but as my day job took precedence, the plans went into a drawer somewhere, and then the eighties suddenly were completely invaded and overrun by the nineties.

I finished one product though, but that was during the seventies: a huge rig, hung above the stage, roughly shaped like a piano keyboard and with lights inside. So what I played on one of my keyboards was made visible by the lamps behind the glass: white for the white keys and red for the black keys.
Luvverly, and I was a prog maestro in my own mind! :D

Edited by BassTractor, 14 August 2017 - 05:35 PM.

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