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#1 paul h

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 11:10 AM

I think amp manufacturers are missing a trick here.

Pretty much all digital/modelling amps are sold on the fact that they can have an almost limitless array of sounds and options. Personally, I don't want that. I just want one good sound from an easy to operate amplifier.

My ultimate digital amp would basically have the sound, for example, of a Fender Twin but in a lightweight 1x10 or 1x12 combo with volume, gain, and bass, mids and treble. That's it. Everything else I can get with pedals. No need for menus and switches for banks or patches. No editing apps, no bluetooth, no usb connections. Just the sound of a great vintage amp that won't break my back or my bank balance.

I think pedal manufacturers have been going that way with all the "amp in a box" style pedals. Mooer has just released a series of amp style pedals mimicking various classic amps including Vox, Fender and Marshall etc. But then of course you still need some kind of amplification device or PA.

I actually use a Joyo American Sound which does a pretty good job of making my £70, 30w, Gear4Music solid sate combo sound like a Blues Junior!

I would absolutely bite Fender's hand off if they offered a sub £300, sub 10kg digital Princeton!

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 04:34 PM

Then You should consider amps like these
https://musicsquare....-amplifier.html
https://www.sweetwat...il/V22InfiCombo

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 05:58 PM

Forgetting the troll up there....

Don't Fender make something like that already? The Mustang or something?

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 06:12 PM

I've been of the opinion that amp modeller pedals are just fancy preset EQ and distortion pedals for a while now, if they really worked you could just use a cheap Behringer set up and sound like anything you wanted

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 07:32 AM

@Jack...the Mustangs have something like 100+ presets. That would just totally blow my mind and give me option paralysis! :D

@PaulWarning...I use a Joyo American Sound that cost me less that £30 into a Gear4Music Belcat 30w combo and it sounds pretty Fender'ish to me.

I think you are right though PaulW, the idea is that you use an amp in a box pedal and then it no longer matters what amp you use. I think that works to an extent but it will always be a compromise. I'm fairly pleased with my set up however if I'm truthful, my little combo probably doesn't sound quite as rich or sparkly as a Fender blackface and I'm fairly certain it won't last as long! :D

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:50 PM

I am with Paul, I have the same need, I only need one (2 at the most) settings but would like to have that without all the extra bells and whistles and have the solid state for the weight etc. I actually accept the limitations of Fender solid state in preference over heavy and bulky valve tones just for convenience, weight and consistency of sound. I did go through the phase of using just a Zoom G5 multi effects into a power amp but again, too much to fiddle with. Playing with Bass I now just use a Tech 21 VT bass DI to keep consistent sound ad plug into effects loop of whatever amp happens to be available.

Why can't they make some solid state amps with just good power amp and speaker with the option to add sounds via PC like TC Electronic do with Toneprint? I have a Fender Superchamp X2 (I know it has a valve in the preamp but still technically solid state I believe) and just set one sound, deactivated the rest and works well, but I actually prefer my Fender Frontman 65w 'beginners' amp with it's default sound, just wish I had the confidence in it's reliability.

As Paul says, being able to choose the basic amp in whatever format you need then add the amp model afterward would make a lot of sense and surely make it easier for manufacturers to appeal to a wider audience.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:00 AM

Aren't the Tech21 Landmark amps exactly that? Solid state, but able to get close to the classic sounds of Fender, Marshall etc?

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 09:16 AM

Nice tip Jakester :)

Just looked into it and it looks like the Tech21 Trademark amps are the ones you mean. The Trademark 30 is ridiculously light too...probably not loud enough to gig though. Although my 30w Gear4music ss combo is crazy loud!

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 03:49 PM

That's it. I've got a 60w I picked up for a bargain price a few years ago, and whilst I can't really play guitar very well (or bass, for that matter :D) it sounds great, and has held its own in a live environment. The beauty of it is is that it has a DI so once you have the sound dialled in, you can go straight into the PA.

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 05:13 PM

The reason you get lots of presets and user programmable memories on modelling amps, is because they are essentially a free extra once you've put in the processing power to do all the other stuff.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:10 PM

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:33 AM

Not strictly digital but these might fit your criteria:

http://voxamps.com/MV50
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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:38 PM

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 02:24 PM

View PostDorsetBlue, on 02 August 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

Not strictly digital but these might fit your criteria:

http://voxamps.com/MV50
I tried the MV50 clean yesterday with a view to helping my guitarist go lightweight. Through my 1x10, I don't think it was quite loud enough to stay clean with our drummer. I think it's only 25W into 8 ohms. Tried the Orange micro Terror too, similar results. Don't get me wrong, I think they would both be loud enough if you don't want crispy clean sounds. The Vox is even small than you think its going to be!
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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:32 PM

Joyo have released a simulation amp called the Klonz which replicates the pre and power sections of something like 15 amps IIRC. No digital modelling involved apparently. The tech is licensed I believe and the amps are around £1500 which isn't cheap, particularly for Joyo.
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