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Posted 31 July 2017 - 10:27 PM

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:52 AM

View Postdave_bass5, on 13 July 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

No problem. Amp wise i was using a MarkBass F1 (had it for a god few years) and more recently a GK MB800. It wasn't an EQ issue as such, but i did find I couldn't adjust enough to get the character i wasnted. I felt by backing the low end off things got too thin. That's probably not what was really happening, but that's what it felt like. with the Vanderkley i had the tone i wanted i with the EQ pretty much flat. I too have to confess i thought the BB2 was a bit too small and boring to look at, like one of those cheap PA cabs in the window of Marlins. It's amazingly light, but i felt it was a bit too small to keep reaching down to adjust amp settings etc. Not a negative as such, but i like the idea of something with a bit more visual presence on stage, while still being small and light. The BB2 can easily be lifted with two fingers of one hand, its that light. The Vanderkley is definitely heavier but still carryable with one hand. I do wish i had tried one of the Vanderkley 212 cabs as well, i think that would have been even better, but I'm happy with the 1x15 and it will last me for a long time.

Interesting, your comment about tone getting a bit thin if the bass is backed off. I experienced the same with my BB2 and GK MB800, it seemed to lack a bit of meat when bass was backed off, but was too heavy on the low end if the "bass" was left at 12 o'clock. I cured this (for me) on the BB2 with a Mesa d800. It can still be bass heavy sometimes if i'm stuck in the corner of a room, but i've found lifting it up on a chair reduces the bass tipup. Thinking about adding a supermidget for slighly less bottom. Like the Vanderkley 210LNT on paper, but it's just a bit bigger and heavier for my needs.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:00 PM

View PostMOSCOWBASS, on 01 August 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:



Interesting, your comment about tone getting a bit thin if the bass is backed off. I experienced the same with my BB2 and GK MB800, it seemed to lack a bit of meat when bass was backed off, but was too heavy on the low end if the "bass" was left at 12 o'clock. I cured this (for me) on the BB2 with a Mesa d800.

This is because the MB800 'all at 12 o'clock' setting is far from flat. There's a dip at 350hz, boost in the bass and even more boost in the treble frequencies. Add in the contour and it scoops even more mids out. With a cabinet that doesn't have a natural mid bias this can leave the tone lacking in warmth or not being organic. In a mix you won't cut through but may suffer from low end bloat. Turn the bass down to get rid of the bloat doesn't make you any more heard. Use a cabinet with boosted mids and things will start sounding clearer.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:08 PM

I had my MarkBass F1 when i first got the BB2, so for me it wasn’t JUST the GK that was the problem.

I play with a pick most of the time and i do find that can sound a bit thin compared to finger style.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:27 PM

I found another cabinet that didn't play ball with the MB800 too, but it's neither the fault of the cabinet or amp. It does depend on your entire signal chain too though. Playing flats through a vintage toned amp and black widow speakers will absolutely not reward you with a hifi tone. Similarly a cabinet with a flat response will only accentuate the scoop cooked in to an EQ.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:30 PM

View Postdave_bass5, on 01 August 2017 - 06:08 PM, said:

I had my MarkBass F1 when i first got the BB2, so for me it wasn’t JUST the GK that was the problem.

I play with a pick most of the time and i do find that can sound a bit thin compared to finger style.

The F1 doesn't have a bump in its character either I agree, so the two will sound neutral in comparison to a cabinet with a mid bump (either high or low mids)

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:35 PM

View Postdood, on 01 August 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:



The F1 doesn't have a bump in its character either I agree, so the two will sound neutral in comparison to a cabinet with a mid bump (either high or low mids)

Yeah, i agree with that.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:43 PM

View Postdave_bass5, on 01 August 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:



Yeah, i agree with that.

The F1 is a great little amp though. Always fancied an F500 too.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:49 PM

View Postdood, on 01 August 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:



The F1 is a great little amp though. Always fancied an F500 too.

Yeah, the F500 was always the one i wanted, especially after getting rid of my old MB SA450 with its sweepable EQ, but I couldn’t find one at a decent price.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:57 PM

View Postdave_bass5, on 01 August 2017 - 06:49 PM, said:



Yeah, the F500 was always the one i wanted, especially after getting rid of my old MB SA450 with its sweepable EQ, but I couldn’t find one at a decent price.

Yup same here! But then the B|Amp came along and that's all my itches scratched! I think you might like it!

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:11 PM

View Postdood, on 01 August 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:



Yup same here! But then the B|Amp came along and that's all my itches scratched! I think you might like it!

In my case a BDDI cured my amp GAS. I wouldn’t dream of using the F1 without it (or more lately my DG VMT). I find the GK MB800 on its own is just as satisfying though.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:04 AM

View Postdave_bass5, on 10 September 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Had a Retro Two10 and felt it was too deep and lacking definition. Got a BB2 and found it was too deep and lacked the sort of mid range i wanted. Both sold and i moved on to a Vanderkley 1x15. Nice cabs, both very light and good looking (the BB2 especialy) but just not my cup of tea. Even though the website made it seem like the BB2 was the best choice for me, it turned out it wasn't, by a long shot. I'd happily use a BB2 again if i had to though, i do miss the size and weight, but I'm much more comfortable with what i have now.

db5 just re-posting your comment from another thread here, as it also seemed directly relevant to this one! I completely appreciate this is just one person's opinion etc etc but it is really helpful that you have owned and experienced both...sounds like I do need to see if I can try them both out before buying (and unlike trying out a second hand pedal which can be easily moved on at no real cost / loss in value - a quality cab is a much bigger outlay!) As you point out, the BF's lightness is still immensely appealing!

I'm guessing that the BB2 won't be outperformed by other BF cabs (e.g the SM or SC) when it comes to mids?
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:13 AM

Read what Alex says about his gear on his website. That will tell you where these cabs sit in relation to each other.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

You can email him with specific questions and you'll get the facts.

That should then put the opinions and supposition in context.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:17 AM

I loved the BB2 when i first got it, it was once i started gigging it at venues i had played many time before that i felt it was lacking something for me.
I know many people love it so I appreciate its a very personal thing, but i see a lot of BF owners, especial the smaller cabs, using more than one cab. Considering how the BF market the cabs, and if you believe it all, then i say definitely try one before you buy, and even better in a gig environment.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:34 AM

 chris_b, on 13 September 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

You can email him with specific questions and you'll get the facts.

That should then put the opinions and supposition in context.

And of course those facts will be totally unbiased against other manufacturers ;-)


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:01 AM

View Postdave_bass5, on 13 September 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

And of course those facts will be totally unbiased against other manufacturers ;-)

Alex will give you the facts about his cabs.

I don't understand why you would want to put a negative twist on my post.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:44 AM

 chris_b, on 13 September 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:



Alex will give you the facts about his cabs.

I don't understand why you would want to put a negative twist on my post.

Its not negative, I was just pointing it out. You also seemed to be questioning the comments from others regarding BF cabs. As if only Alex can explain how they sound and how good they are.

A big apology if I miss read that post, but that how it came across.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:46 PM

Surely Barefaced's trial period exists precisely so that people don't have to rely solely on what Alex says. If you aren't willing to take the plunge based purely on his what he says (unbiased or otherwise) then simply try the cabs for yourself and if you don't like 'em, return 'em. If you're thinking of replacing your current cabs with BF ones then you can literally compare them side by side without having to sell your current ones first. Can't say fairer than that IMO and to be honest I wish more companies - especially new/unknown ones claiming to be better than their more established competition - operated a similar system.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:56 PM

View PostCameronJ, on 13 September 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

Surely Barefaced's trial period exists precisely so that people don't have to rely solely on what Alex says. If you aren't willing to take the plunge based purely on his what he says (unbiased or otherwise) then simply try the cabs for yourself and if you don't like 'em, return 'em. If you're thinking of replacing your current cabs with BF ones then you can literally compare them side by side without having to sell your current ones first. Can't say fairer than that IMO and to be honest I wish more companies - especially new/unknown ones claiming to be better than their more established competition - operated a similar system.

Hey thanks for pointing that out Cameron - and really good to know, I'd completely missed this when looking at the BF website.

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We also believe that the only way to find out if a bass cab is right for you is to play it on a gig - loudspeakers are rather non-linear devices and what might sound lovely at shop loudness may sound completely different when turned up to compete with a drummer. We therefore have a one month trial policy. Buy a cab, use it for a month and if you're not totally happy then we will have it collected and give you a full refund bar the return shipping (£25 for our smaller cabs, £40 for the larger cabs). Just as we expect you to take advantage of our knowledge when ordering a cab, please use us once you have the cab in your hands: If you can't get the tone you want then ask us for help. *Due to shipping costs we can only offer this one month trial period for customers within Europe.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 05:43 PM

I didn't realise the trial applied elsewhere in Europe! That's very good.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:06 PM

Shame it doesn't extend to Canada. I am still in two minds whether or not to take a chance on one!
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:08 PM

View PostChopthebass, on 13 September 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Shame it doesn't extend to Canada. I am still in two minds whether or not to take a chance on one!

I'm guessing that if you offered to cover the shipping in both directions, in the event that you decided against, Alex may well be willing to extend the trial period to Canada too? Don't ask, don't get! :)
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:05 AM

View PostAl Krow, on 13 September 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm guessing that if you offered to cover the shipping in both directions, in the event that you decided against, Alex may well be willing to extend the trial period to Canada too? Don't ask, don't get! :)

I'm not sure but i think you may invoke customs charges for moving things around outside Europe - it may not be quite so simple as it seems. Probably expensive to ship in both directions too.

It could be a better idea to take a chance and buy on on Alex's verbal recommendation and just flip it in Canada if you don't get on with it - they're pretty rare out there so wont hang about long and the price should stay propped up to a point.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:53 AM

Good points well made.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 12:25 PM

View PostAl Krow, on 13 September 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm guessing that if you offered to cover the shipping in both directions, in the event that you decided against...

Shipping both ways across the Atlantic costs far more than the depreciation on an as-new Barefaced cab when sold in North America!

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 01:02 PM

 dave_bass5, on 13 September 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:



And of course those facts will be totally unbiased against other manufacturers ;-)
If Alex has any sense it will be. The trick is to emphasise your products benefits. If you criticise other brands or models, you may be talking to a fanboy and they will immediately mistrust you.

Can I also add that the subject of the thread is is wrong. It could be how do BF and VDK compare but it looks like someone was looking for an online ruck.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 01:11 PM

View PostChienmortbb, on 14 September 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

Can I also add that the subject of the thread is is wrong. It could be how do BF and VDK compare but it looks like someone was looking for an online ruck.

"How do BF and VDK compare" is absolutely what the thread is about (see the OP) but it's kinda the boring headline that would be attractive only to bass players who are accountants. Need something much more Bell Pottinger or dare I say rock n roll than that! :P
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