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Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:40 PM

this may be a really stupid question form a none reader, but is notation always accurate?

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:43 PM

View PostSteve Woodcock, on 20 August 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

...being told to move your Pawn from b4 to b5 in chess doesn't teach you anything about how to play the game, nor does painting by numbers teach you how to paint....

Many folks get great pleasure from following through the chess games of past masters, in exactly this fashion. Similarly, there are thousands, maybe more, enjoying the results of their endeavours in colouring by numbers a view of New York or a pair of spaniels. None will claim to have mastered these arts, but is that the only worthwhile objective on the planet..? I spent much of my youth studying the new (at the time...) 'black art' of DTL/TTL logic, and from there on to microprocessors, operating systems and computers. I had (at the time...) a pretty extensive mastery in depth of how it all worked, more than those who would 'plug and play' the latest graphic cards in fashion. Whilst doing this, for my career, I did no more than brush over the finer points of reading musical notation, except for drums, as that was my instrument of choice. I can read, albeit very slowly, for guitar, bass or keys, but cannot play a saxophone, even if I can decipher the score. My path in life has not revolved around Mozart, nor the Masters of Puppets, and my professional drumming career involved 'dots' only as far as I wrote them out myself, as they did not exist (I've never seen since the drum score for 'Hotel California', either...).
Why this insistence that there is no salvation but in soaking oneself in this skill..? No-one is disputing its usefulness, nor that it is good to learn from an early age, but there are other skills that are equally valuable for thousands of happy, contented folks in the world, without, too. Is it too much to accept that some folks get the result they're after from other concepts..? This insistence is not likely to endear the subject to those already hesitant or wary from previous experience of failure with the system. It does not fit everyone's temperament nor needs. Hats off to those who revel in it, but some respect is due to those who play music without, I feel.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 01:07 PM

It's nice to know how long the notes are.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 01:43 PM

@Steve Woodcock A few thoughts in passing if I may. Not preaching, just some things that spring to mind when reading your contribution.

Your post, erudite though it is, nevertheless reads as the type of handout one might give to a student at the beginning of a sequence of lessons - a bit heavy on content perhaps, but you get the idea. I am assuming from the nature of your post that you earn at least part of your living as a tutor. If that is not the case then you have my apologies (though my remarks will still have a bearing on the topic under discussion).

As a tutor of some 15 years' experience (now retired) and a schoolteacher for some 15 years before that, I can tell you that not everybody crossing your threshold will want to become a well-rounded musician (unless of course you have engineered your teaching around this as a basic requirement). Some will, but I rather suspect that presenting a fait-a-complis to everybody who walks in would have some raising an eyebrow and one or two turning around and walking straight out again. Encouraging students to want to become well-rounded musicians is a very laudable aim. Ramming it down their throats is another matter entirely.

Part of the art of being a well rounded tutor is finding out what each student is hoping for from a set of lessons (yes, I know that a lot of them won't, but that is another thread I suspect...), and then balancing that with what one's professional judgement indicates they might benefit from. If they want to become a well-rounded musician then well and good, but if they don't then one may find that another approach is called for.

Now that I think of it, there was a thread on this very subject a few months ago...

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:11 PM

View Postambient, on 20 August 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:



Can I ask, where did you get TAB from then?

Agree totally about the standing in the shadows of motown book. It's one I use a lot to demonstrate to students how bass lines work.

I used to have those old Guitar magazine/Play it like it is books. I have no idea what the method was to transcribe them, the bass is inaudible on some of those early Metallica records, Justice especially.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:58 PM

No method that helps in the learning of a song/tune can ever be deemed evil. Notation is the most accurate but we are playing music after all....

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:30 PM

View PostRocker, on 20 August 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

No method that helps in the learning of a song/tune can ever be deemed evil. Notation is the most accurate but we are playing music after all....

Ultimately, it's the ear that is the most accurate. Notation might be the most accurate in conveying the notes & performance guides, but without the ears in the first place to transcribe, there would be no notation (or TAB's). Your ears will also tell you if the chart (or TAB) is wrong or inaccurate (well they should do, through practise).

Also, there is a lot of material you might want to learn or play that isn't available in charts or TAB's, so that's maybe a good reason to practise getting your ears into shape and start transcribing, that without a doubt, opens up a whole new world on the music journey.
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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:02 PM

Loads of good viewpoints here on the for / against TAB. It obviously works for some people, but not for others.

I've never really got on with TAB, always gravitated towards learning from records / cassettes and worked on my theory and harmony until I made a conscious decision to learn how to read a few years ago. I'm too old to make a career out of music but reading does tie all this stuff together, especially in terms of note length and rhythms.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 01:00 PM

View PostSteve Woodcock, on 20 August 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

TAB is a mechanical instruction rather than a musical one, i.e. 'put your finger here' rather than 'play this note, on this subdivision of this beat, for this duration'. It is a crutch, it may give you a short term gain but reliance on it will ultimately hinder your potential to be a well rounded musician.

As has already been acknowledged, TAB does not contain all the information you need to perform the piece, meaning it needs to be viewed in conjunction with something else - i.e. either a recording or notation - therefore, as a means of communication it is flawed.

Notation enables us to do the following:
  • Perform a piece of music at sight, accurately and authentically, having never heard it before.
  • Read and write music intended for other instruments - '3rd fret on the A string' means nothing to a pianist, horn player etc.
  • Identify the key of the piece and the harmonic movement contained within
  • Discern the harmonic rhythm of the piece (the rate at which the chords change)
  • Recognise familiar melodic or rhythmic groupings of notes - the benefit of this is that these groups can be recognised as a 'whole', much like you are recognising the words in this sentence rather than reading each letter separately, and executed promptly from muscle memory
  • Quickly see the ascending and descending contour of a line, identify where things move by step or by leap etc., spot potentially tricky passages
  • Easily recognise sequences and other repeating patterns, even if they modulate to another key
  • Combined with a rudimentary ability to sight sing allows us hear the piece in our head, and therefore learn it away from our instrument
By using notation rather than TAB, you are having to think notes rather than simply positions - this will increase your knowledge of the fingerboard far more as you will make the association of 'this is an A, this is a C#, etc.' each time you play a note. More work in the short term but the rewards will pay dividends.




True, this existed for keyboard instruments and lutes in the sixteenth century but it was found to be unsatisfactory and was replaced by notation for good reason; the systems used also differed from country to country.



But here's the rub, TAB doesn't help a player learn their instrument, it merely tells them where and in what order to put their fingers, it doesn't even teach them what the note is. In the same way as being told to move your Pawn from b4 to b5 in chess doesn't teach you anything about how to play the game, nor does painting by numbers teach you how to paint. To be clear, used in conjunction with another source (recording or notation) TAB may help someone learn to play a song, but they are not learning anything about the instrument.

I'm not sure that your post is 100% accurate.

In some tab notation people include rhythm instructions and rest notes so that you know whether to play a quarter note or a whole note, and where in the bar to play it.

A tab notation for guitar enables me to play the same notes on any instrument (provided I know how to constuct the note - so I can translate Tab onto keys, or trumpet but not sax because I don't know sax fingering.

I can visually look at a tab and define the key from the notes. Just because the key is not defined in sharps and flats on the stave doesn't change the notes that belong to a key.
The only exception would be where the standard notation uses a lot of sharps or flats in which case the key is pretty much irrelevant other than for the purposes of the notation.

Tab, when written efficiently uses extensive use of repeat info - just not the same as formal notation.

Learning tab is a quick and effective way of learning to transpose. If you know a Cmajor scale pattern, move it up two frets and you have Dmajor pattern. Its much easier to transpose in this way and quite frankly who cares if everyone knows the name of the note they transpose to as long as they know where it is and where it repeats on the fretboard?

As was said previously, Learning the fretboard and your scales is additional to learning to read notation or tab. It really doesn't come from it. Did you really learn the major scale by looking at standard notation, by Do Re mi, or by tone, tone, semitone etc.?
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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:04 PM

Always a polarising discussion, the pros and cons of TAB.
Yeah, it's a big help for folks who want to work out where to put their fingers to play a particular song; as long as it's a song they know well by listening or are currently listening to. But that's it. That's all it does and can do...and it wasnt designed to be anything more. For a great many bass players that's enough.
However, there's also a whole other musical world out there for which TAB is useless. It's a completely inadequate form of musical notation as it doesn't convey the necessary information to either communicate ideas or facilitate performance - Rhythm, dynamics, phrasing etc.
Considering that both "pro" and "anti" TAB folks in the thread would agree with the above statements, a discussion like this still always seems to prove controversial.
I guess it comes down to an "anti-learning" ethos in rock music when it comes to anything resembling "formal" musical knowledge - along with a knee-jerk dislike of any suggestion that this may be a better way to do things.
It's what leads a well-known bass instruction site to put forward a notion like "The Groove Grid" - which, by user comments, was "mindblowing" and "revolutionary" for folks playing. Almost nonsensical, as all Scott D was doing with that concept was teaching how to subdivide quarter notes, eighth notes and sixteenth notes (crotchets, quavers and semi-quavers) without causing pitchforks and torches for forcing "legit" or "classical" learning on folks!!
That, i suppose, echoes the difference between TAB and notation. TAB shows you where to put your finger: standard notation necessitates learning a few things which will make you better at playing your instrument. Like the note names/their various positions on the neck and, more importantly for bassists, rhythm and rhythmic subdivisions.
So yeah, if TAB works for you and gives you what you need, then great. If you want to make the step to notation and learning to read, then it can be a COMPLETE pain in the ass at times - but you'll pick up information which will improve your playing, even if it's just by codifying and solidifying rhythmic stuff you already know.

So, is TAB really that evil?
No. It's just of very limited and specific use and doesn't of itself possess any intrinsic learning attributes.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:07 PM

I'm happy to enjoy music at my own level. I never wanted to do arrangements or write. The most I want out of it is to play bass and sing. My enjoyment stops as soon as I start looking at dots.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:32 PM

The world of maths is a fascinating one; despite that, millions of people all around the planet use a calculator (or their 'phone...) for doing basic operations. One needs more than that to become a university professor, but not everyone aspires to that.
I would add that, in much modern music, there is a serious lack of information carried by 'standard' notation concerning synth effects, or varying degrees of fuzz, distortion, delay and such. Without having heard the piece, it would be difficult (maybe not impossible, but difficult...) to convey all the information required to play a piece of that nature. Not to say that dots have no place, but don't pretend that classical music notation is the complete solution for everything.
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Posted 24 August 2017 - 11:48 PM

Tablature isn't necessarily evil, but it does limit you as a player to one person's idea of fingerings and only one way of doing things. Learning to read music isn't hard if you apply yourself and opens up so many more possibilities. And in the pro arena you do need it as a skill. As with many things, there's a right way to do things and several thousand wrong ways. Depends how invested you really want to be in your development as a musician.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 01:32 AM

View PostDad3353, on 21 August 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

. . . . but don't pretend that classical music notation is the complete solution for everything.

It is.

Everything else comes in the form of notes from the writer or arranger.
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 02:15 AM

View Postchris_b, on 25 August 2017 - 01:32 AM, said:

It is.

Everything else comes in the form of notes from the writer or arranger.

... as could be done with tab, could it not..? Again, I'm not attacking dots, just suggesting that many folks use tab well (and many not...), and it's not always necessary nor useful to learn Latin terms for many modern idioms that will have to be written up as annotations in any case. If jazzers can get by with just a few scribbled Nashville numbers, surely a tab score could be accepted as being sometimes, at least, legitimate..? It's the 'there is only one true path' that grates. As has been admitted already, some annotations are diagrams, or coloured forms for certain compositions. Why not just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..?
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:20 AM

View PostTCsBass, on 24 August 2017 - 11:48 PM, said:

Tablature isn't necessarily evil, but it does limit you as a player to one person's idea of fingerings and only one way of doing things...

Rubbish!

You limit yourself. It isn't the tab's fault. You can get badly written score and all you know. I look at many sources of tab, not just one. I never rely on just one interpretation of a song. It would be daft to do so.

Another point. All you folk who are poo-pooing tab because it has no meter are living in the past. Tab can be written with tails on the numbers just the same as you can with dots.

Cuh!

Sorry for unloading on you TCsBass but I see a lot of pretentious crap being said by die-hard score users so it is important to redress the balance. There is a choice of ways to read and write music and they both work. That is all.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:32 AM

View PostDad3353, on 25 August 2017 - 02:15 AM, said:

... as could be done with tab, could it not..? Again, I'm not attacking dots, just suggesting that many folks use tab well (and many not...), and it's not always necessary nor useful to learn Latin terms for many modern idioms that will have to be written up as annotations in any case. If jazzers can get by with just a few scribbled Nashville numbers, surely a tab score could be accepted as being sometimes, at least, legitimate..? It's the 'there is only one true path' that grates. As has been admitted already, some annotations are diagrams, or coloured forms for certain compositions. Why not just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..?

I am attacking dots as a sight impaired player.

Dots are THE problem, not the ledger lines and not the tails. You probably look at a dot and see whether it is solid or empty, whether it is on a line or between lines, whether it has a sharp or a flat to take it out of the key signature for a moment. I see a blur sometimes. Other times I get a double image. Numbers are less ambiguous and I can read them a lot faster than the pre-school pace that score reduces me to. Score is a handicap for me.

With score I have to sit down with a cup of tea and study like I was back in school. Knackers to that! I just want to get on and play. I am not the perpetual student.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 09:00 AM

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... as could be done with tab, could it not..? Again, I'm not attacking dots, just suggesting that many folks use tab well (and many not...), and it's not always necessary nor useful to learn Latin terms for many modern idioms that will have to be written up as annotations in any case. If jazzers can get by with just a few scribbled Nashville numbers, surely a tab score could be accepted as being sometimes, at least, legitimate..? It's the 'there is only one true path' that grates. As has been admitted already, some annotations are diagrams, or coloured forms for certain compositions. Why not just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..?

No, it couldnt. Categorically. TAB cannot be given to musicians as a notated part they are expected to perform in the manner of standard notation. Thats one if the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard.

Standard notation doesnt use Latin terms.

Annotations are common practice in arranging. Always have been.

Jazzers do not use the Nashville numbers system.

A "Tab Score" is a non-existent entity; score being the collated parts of a complete ensemble arrangement presented as a single entity on multiple staves.
(Caveat - I could be wrong here: perhaps piano/keys, drum, sax, trumpet, violin etc TAB also exists....erm...)
As previously intimated, giving someone a TAB "part" is never legitimate. TAB is both unfit - and unintended for - this purpose.

I'm glad you weren't "attacking dots" given the lack of knowledge displayed. Thats the issue here. A deep dislike of musical learning and any (perceived) hint that A may be better than B.

"there's only one true path" grates..."
Unfortunately, this isnt a matter of opinion. I don't do snowflake BS where everyone has a right to an equally valid opinion. You're wrong.

Why not follow your own advice and "just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..?" - ie, advice on where to put your fingers on a tune one is familiar with or listening to - rather than espousing uninformed and unreasoned arguments about its potential equal validity with standard notation because folks are somehow oppressing you with their different (valid and informed) opinions.


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 09:53 AM

View PostThe Jaywalker, on 25 August 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

No, it couldnt. Categorically. TAB cannot be given to musicians as a notated part they are expected to perform in the manner of standard notation. Thats one if the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard.

Standard notation doesnt use Latin terms.

Annotations are common practice in arranging. Always have been.

Jazzers do not use the Nashville numbers system.

A "Tab Score" is a non-existent entity; score being the collated parts of a complete ensemble arrangement presented as a single entity on multiple staves.
(Caveat - I could be wrong here: perhaps piano/keys, drum, sax, trumpet, violin etc TAB also exists....erm...)
As previously intimated, giving someone a TAB "part" is never legitimate. TAB is both unfit - and unintended for - this purpose.

I'm glad you weren't "attacking dots" given the lack of knowledge displayed. Thats the issue here. A deep dislike of musical learning and any (perceived) hint that A may be better than B.

"there's only one true path" grates..."
Unfortunately, this isnt a matter of opinion. I don't do snowflake BS where everyone has a right to an equally valid opinion. You're wrong.

Why not follow your own advice and "just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..?" - ie, advice on where to put your fingers on a tune one is familiar with or listening to - rather than espousing uninformed and unreasoned arguments about its potential equal validity with standard notation because folks are somehow oppressing you with their different (valid and informed) opinions.

Crikey that's a bit venomous !

What is this current trend of calling people with a different view "snowflakes" all about?
I guess it's implied that when the temperature rises they melt, however if the temperature drops, they can become blocks of ice.Titanic any one? It really irritates me.

No mater, as you were.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:18 AM

View PostThe Jaywalker, on 25 August 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

No, it couldnt...

Given your entrenched position and inferred opinion on my competence in musical matters, I'm not inclined to answer these points one by one, although tempted, if only for the sake of others here. Hold your righteous views dear; I'll hold and espouse mine, thank you very much.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:19 AM

TAB isn't evil, but it just tells you where a note is (or not, depending on the person writing it!). There is so much information lacking in TAB that it's use stops beyond being a practice tool.

The Nashville Numbers system is also limited to a specific and simplified way of writing a chord chart for guys who know the feel of the song but not the chords. Some modern country is moving beyond the capabilities of the NN system.

You can (and they do) play any music of every complexity, from solo to multiple orchestras, straight off from the dots.

That is why TAB can never be a substitute for the dots. It might work for untrained people in limited circumstances but TAB is not an alternative to any other system of notation. TAB isn't evil but unless we understand it's place in the scheme of things we shouldn't be making unrealistic claims for it.
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:39 AM

 chris_b, on 25 August 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:


That is why TAB can never be a substitute for the dots. It might work for untrained people in limited circumstances but TAB is not an alternative to any other system of notation. TAB isn't evil but unless we understand it's place in the scheme of things we shouldn't be making unrealistic claims for it.
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:53 AM

Knowledge concerning punctuation is a useful asset, too. :P

Edited by Dad3353, 25 August 2017 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 11:12 AM

View Postchris_b, on 25 August 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

It might work for untrained people in limited circumstances...

Which, I would respectfully suggest, makes it ideal for a large number of BC members...

Not wishing to labour the point, but not everybody wants or needs to be able to read dots. If that means they're less likely to be taken seriously as musicians by people who take themselves seriously as musicians, I rather suspect most won't worry unduly.



While I'm here, I seem to detect a hint of 'us-and-them' elitism creeping in here (which I have to say I've encountered before in my travels within the industry). People who can read and play to the standard expected of a professional musician have invariably worked hard over a long period of time to get where they are. That doesn't make it all right to be so dismissive of others who have got where they are by different routes (usually for a range of very good reasons). Basschat isn't a professional association, it's an internet forum for people with a shared interest.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 11:35 AM

View Postleftybassman392, on 25 August 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Which, I would respectfully suggest, makes it ideal for a large number of BC members...

This

It's a readily available, free and reasonably easy to use tool for getting certain jobs done. Other tools are available.
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 11:41 AM

View PostRaymondo, on 25 August 2017 - 09:53 AM, said:



Crikey that's a bit venomous !

What is this current trend of calling people with a different view "snowflakes" all about?
I guess it's implied that when the temperature rises they melt, however if the temperature drops, they can become blocks of ice.Titanic any one? It really irritates me.

No mater, as you were.

I'll just carry on playing Mustang Sally and that well know jazz classic Moondance. :P

I think you misunderstand. I didnt call anyone a snowflake. I simply used the term to allude to the nonsense concept of uninformed opinion being as equally valid as established and objective factual information - the "one true path grates".
That general vibe may not have been the motivation for the poster in question, but it is symptomatic. I suspect he was generally irked and defensive about educated musicians ultimately making the same point about TAB as he did: but, in contradiction, doesnt want to accept the blunt fact that standard notation is a better method to communicate musical information in a larger world. This "grates" and resulted (in Chris_b's words) with unrealistic claims about TAB usage/potential and incorrect observations concerning standard notation and common usage. Calling someone out on this using factual information may be blunt, but it certainly isnt venomous.
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 11:50 AM

View PostThe Jaywalker, on 25 August 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

No, it couldnt. Categorically. TAB cannot be given to musicians as a notated part they are expected to perform in the manner of standard notation. Thats one if the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard.

I'm glad you weren't "attacking dots" given the lack of knowledge displayed. Thats the issue here. A deep dislike of musical learning and any (perceived) hint that A may be better than B.


Apologies for truncating the post, and accepting that Dad is more than capable of defending himself.

Speaking as a lesser mortal who was either too stoopid or too lazy to learn dots, the same could be said of standard notation when you give it to me. I'd have no idea what it was supposed to sound like.


Your earlier posts were quite helpful on Tab (basically its OK but limited), but where someone suggests it can do some of the things you say it can't you have launched a quite vicious attack on it and reading the last post in isolation would certainly give me cause to think you're coming down on the side of "tab is evil", not in itself but because it creates lazy anti learning sentiment amongst the unenlightened.

If I write a song, I do it in tab and annotate as necessary so that I can read it as if it were notation - I include rests, repeats etc as much as I need to record the part, and will tab the guitar parts and bass parts as a "score". So although it might not be as good as standard notation it does do what you say it cant. Could other people read it - probably with some effort. Conversely, with standard notation there are techniques that I'm not sure how one would represent. How do you differentiate between a thumb slap, hammer on, pull off and picked note for instance.
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Posted 25 August 2017 - 11:56 AM

View PostThe Jaywalker, on 25 August 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

I think you misunderstand. I didnt call anyone a snowflake. I simply used the term to allude to the nonsense concept of uninformed opinion being as equally valid as established and objective factual information - the "one true path grates".
That general vibe may not have been the motivation for the poster in question, but it is symptomatic. I suspect he was generally irked and defensive about educated musicians ultimately making the same point about TAB as he did: but, in contradiction, doesnt want to accept the blunt fact that standard notation is a better method to communicate musical information in a larger world. This "grates" and resulted (in Chris_b's words) with unrealistic claims about TAB usage/potential and incorrect observations concerning standard notation and common usage. Calling someone out on this using factual information may be blunt, but it certainly isnt venomous.
Nowt wrong with Mustang Sally or Moondance - in my career I've played much worse! Just dont go giving a dep the TAB for it on the gig. That might not work out ����

Fair enough.
I was trying to bring some levity to a thread that has rumbled on for three pages that seemed to be summed up in the OP and the first response ;)

I do dislike this snowflake thing though,but that's probably because I am old and stuck in my ways.

Hat's off to those of you that can read the dots and well done to anyone else that has played music using any other method.

Oh and I have played worse than those two too............. giving me the tab or the dots would be a waste ...I am useless at reading both :lol:

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 12:00 PM

There's nothing wrong with tab but plenty wrong with the quality of tab you find on the Interweb.

As long as you view it with a healthy cynicism you'll be fine. I very frequently get a bit stuck learning parts by ear and go looking for whatever clue I can use. The guitar chords, the bass tab, whatever. However, more often than not it represents an interpretation. As long as you know that.

I do find it slightly depressing watching someone covering (often very well) the bass part of some song on YouTube and there'll will always be a comment, "where did you get the tab for that?". Don't be that guy!!

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 01:05 PM

View PostNicko, on 25 August 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:



Conversely, with standard notation there are techniques that I'm not sure how one would represent. How do you differentiate between a thumb slap, hammer on, pull off and picked note for instance.
Easily done. Notating hammer-ons and pull offs as slurs with small font H.O. or P.O. has been standard practice for years. Slap is often notated by a dotted line under the passage with the text "slap". Pick or plectrum is anotated as a text performance instruction in the same way that "mute" is used for brass or arco/pizz (bowed or plucked) is used for strings.

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