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#1 Radchenko

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 01:42 PM

Hello. The stock pickups Are a Sandberg imitating delano. Sounds good but a little inorganic...
I want a Pbass sound but modern, similar to a jbass but punchiest. Clear cutting with the band.

Thanks.

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 03:46 PM

Hi,

Interesting you say that as I have a VS4 passive and really dig the sound of the propietary Sandberg's compared to the more hifi Delano's.

This post is a massive can of worms as no matter what anyone else says its what you ears want.

I could say to you how about Lindy Fralins, or the New Nordstrand blade split coil pick ups they have released.
If you want really hifi go for Joe Barden JBE pick ups.

You can use a pre amp pedal, or pop in a preamp into the bass like a J East, or Aguilar.

But on this, I think you have to just research what is out there and go and listen and see what your ears tell you.

Otherwise VS4 is a lovely bass

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 04:30 PM

I've got a VM4 with Sandberg's own pickups and would say that " ... a Pbass sound but modern, similar to a jbass but punchiest. Clear cutting with the band." pretty much sums up the the tone that I get with mine :)

What amp and cab(s) are you using? What eq setting are you using? Any effects or anything else in your signal chain?
In my experience the bass ought to be able to deliver the sound you describe without changing the pickups, but as Cuzzie says above;

View PostCuzzie, on 31 August 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:


This post is a massive can of worms as no matter what anyone else says its what you ears want ... But on this, I think you have to just research what is out there and go and listen and see what your ears tell you.

Otherwise VS4 is a lovely bass


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 05:20 PM

Forgot to mention about change of strings can make a huge and inexpensive difference, do you play just finger style, maybe using a pick will give you a bit more edge

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:57 PM

Thanks for your response.

I use tecamp puma 500 with barefaced compact. Really happy with them. Maybe will buy a tecamp piccolo 600.

DR sunbeams strings. Good feel. In my fender jazzbass usa Have ernie ball slinky, worst feel but more clear sound.

Other strings options?

Other pickups? Aero, nordstrand are my main thoughts.



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Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:14 PM

DR are good strings

Tecamp Puma is a good amp, but I always feel it's a little too 'polite' in that it will never push itself forward in the mix, but you have great basses, and a great cab.

Either a Preamp pedal or pick ups of your choice just may be your thing

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:31 PM

I don't want a preamp pedal, unless will buy a gr bass pure amp 700 or something similar and sell the tecamp. then a Sadowsky preamp or radial tbone for example are good options I Think.

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:31 PM

Maybe the Delano pc4al or the nordstrand give me the típical pbass sound with modern sounding

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:35 PM

Sounds like you want to add a bridge pickup?

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 06:33 PM

Uumm is possible...the bridge pickup on my fender jazzbass usa make me feel happy.

But Make a hole in my bass is a tough decission

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:09 PM

Don't make a hole, accept a P for what it is, accept a PJ for what it is, accept a J bass for what it is and pick your fave, or have all of them

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 09:21 PM

I never use a good PJ. I'm not sure that the combination of p and j pickups give me What I want, Maybe I near will be satisfied :-)


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 06:21 AM

If vou like a sandberg try the VM, it may get you want you want

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 11:35 AM

View PostCuzzie, on 31 August 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

DR are good strings

Tecamp Puma is a good amp, but I always feel it's a little too 'polite' in that it will never push itself forward in the mix, but you have great basses, and a great cab.

Either a Preamp pedal or pick ups of your choice just may be your thing

View PostCuzzie, on 05 September 2017 - 06:21 AM, said:

If vou like a sandberg try the VM, it may get you want you want

If you think the Puma is a little too polite, it might be worth considering changing the amp, maybe?
My VM4 played on the neck pup alone punches for days and slices through the mix a treat.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 06:42 PM

Sid definitely speaks a lot of sense

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 02:19 PM

Tecamp is not a problem, great amp.
Maybe I'm the problem but I can't change :-)

A luthier can make the área from a jbass pickup and obtain something like this but in passive:

https://www.google.e...iact=mrc&uact=8
Or is a Bad idea!?

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 03:04 PM

If it's what you want and you are sure it's not a bad idea, however if you eventually want to sell the bass it will affect resale value as it's been altered and would not fetch the same as an unaltered VS4 or VT.

As per earlier posts it's all your own decision but base it on your ears, that goes for pick up choice as well, none of us can lead on that.

#18 Radchenko

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:54 PM

Hello.

This is the correct pickup or need a custom size?

https://www.herrerag...er-ferrita.html

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:56 PM

I swapped the Delanos for Nordys in my active/passive VS4. To my ears a much nicer tone, warmer for want of a better word.
Basses: ACG, Fender, Sandberg, Squier

Amps/Cabs: Ampeg / Genz Benz / Barefaced


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 11:06 PM

That's a J pick up

You have a split coil P bass or so you said

If you want to rout the guitar and add a J at the bridge making it a PJ, get any size you want and cut the hole as you see fit

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 01:58 PM

My bass is like this:

http://classicandcoo...ia-vs4-passive/

But with dots in the fingerboard, chrome knobs, chrome hipsot tuners and bridge and tortoise pickguard.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 03:24 PM

I have a VS4 passive too

IMHO don't cut a hole in to make it a PJ or a VM use any of the suggestions made in the thread, but it's your bass to do as you choose

Edited by Cuzzie, 10 September 2017 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 04:13 PM

Thanks. What do you Think about the sound of your vs4 passive please?
Change strings? I like my strings
Change amp? Maybe the head, but it's a great head
Put an active circuit? I don't like active basses
Preamp pedal? Not for me
Bridge pickup? My jbass fender usa Have a great sound Thanks to his bridge pickup, I like but I want the same with more character. But otherwise is hard to decided make a hole in my bass

Thanks.

Edited by Radchenko, 10 September 2017 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 06:50 PM

I like my VS4 passive, it's a great instrument, But I love my Sandberg MarloweDK.
What you are describing are the 2 inherent qualities of 2 very good basses.
Depending on what you play and who you play with, and what they are playing it's only you can decide what you want.

Your strings and cab are great, your head is good too, although not my favourite for powering your sound, but if you like it, don't worry.

I would do nothing, play the Jazz live mainly, have the VS4 as a back up, or you may find if doing any recording or certain types of songs it feels a bit better.

Don't knock pedals, some are really good and you don't have to spend the earth on them. A really good cheap one that I know plays well with the VS4 is a Hartke VXL, you can get them for £40 second hand and it has a DI out.

You have quality kit, enjoy them for what they are, but definitely do not put a hole in the VS4, worse case, sell it on.

Edited by Cuzzie, 10 September 2017 - 06:51 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:15 PM

Thank you Very much.

What head do you Think is a good option for me?

I want the vs4 as my main bass this is my desire.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:24 PM

OK,

Before my head I have a Hartke VXL, Cali76G compressor and Two Notes LeBass.
All great pedals.

Used it with a PJB Bass Cub for a combo.

I also used it with a Darkglass M900 amp which again was good, but I am playing much cleaner now and am using a Form Factor Audio Bi1000.
This is through a Barefaced Supertwin.

A friend of mine has a VM4 which has Delano's and if you want a hifi sound these are a decent bet. Funnily enough, he quite likes my Sandberg pups!

I would take your bass and cab to a local music store and trynout some heads, then you know that is the only thing changing to help make your mind up.

If you think the Puma is a bit polite, maybe avoid EICH amps as they are made by the same person, he just split to do his own thing.
Another friend with a VM4 uses a Genzler Magellan, great amp, he is very happy.

Defo try a few heads out with your gear.

DR are great strings, I have their DDTs.

One last thing, has it had a proper set up?
Is the pick up at the right height to get the most out of it?

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 10:31 PM

Yes, My bass is on the luthier giving a set up, tomorrow pick it and decide What to do.

Thanks a lot!! :-)

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:19 AM

No worries, let us know, it will sound great, but it will sound different to the jazz, it's not a bad thing, just different

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:43 PM

My bass is now perfectly set up. My luthier don't recomend me put the jazz pickup, he think my bass is really good sound.
At the moment I don't change nothing. But still in my kind the idea heheh.
I saw this bass in internet:
https://reverb.com/p...-color-sunburst
It looks great, but fender necks Are not so good as my Sandberg

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:00 PM

You luthier is right!

Sandy's are at least as good, if not better than custom shop Fenders





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