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Posted 08 October 2017 - 04:08 PM

Hi all, for some time I've been using D'Addarrio Chrome flat-wounds on a blue bass and on a dark bass where the blue silks probably don't notice much. I like the feel and the sound and all's good.

But, I've now decided to put flats on another bass and blue isn't really what I'd like on there. It's OK, but not great. What I'm used to is the bare metal of Elixirs that I've been using.

Does anyone know of any flats similar to the Chromes that don't have any silks on there?
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 04:36 PM

La Bella Low Tension Flats.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 04:54 PM

View PostGrahambythesea, on 08 October 2017 - 04:36 PM, said:

La Bella Low Tension Flats.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:02 PM

I had no idea silk colour bothered people.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:15 PM

 fretmeister, on 08 October 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

I had no idea silk colour bothered people.

I suppose it depends on your nature. I'm particular about all aspects of the look of my basses as well as the tone.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:17 PM

 Grangur, on 08 October 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:



I suppose it depends on your nature. I'm particular about all aspects of the look of my basses as well as the tone.

So what if you found the perfect silk colour but they sounded crap, and the perfect sounding string were the worst coloured silk?!

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

 fretmeister, on 08 October 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

I had no idea silk colour bothered people.

It doesn't bother me as such, but, thinking about itfor the first time, I think I also prefer strings with no silks.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:35 PM

 Sibob, on 08 October 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

So what if you found the perfect silk colour but they sounded crap, and the perfect sounding string were the worst coloured silk?!

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In the past I've played all my basses with Elixir or Fender strings: They have no silk.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:41 PM

La Bella low tension flats have purple silk, but they are good

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:09 AM

 MOSCOWBASS, on 08 October 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

La Bella low tension flats have purple silk, but they are good

Many thanks. I'll have to think about that.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:52 AM

I've never tried the La Bellas but I didn't find Chromes to be low tension.

I might have imagined this but are Fender strings made by D'addario? Might be an idea to look into their flats as they might be similar if they have no silks
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:04 AM

View PostGrangur, on 08 October 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

I suppose it depends on your nature. I'm particular about all aspects of the look of my basses as well as the tone.

Ah.

For me the look of the bass is completely unimportant. If the perfectly balanced comfy bass, with acceptable tone was a Daisy Rock Butterfly with Trump's face on it, loaded with DR UV reactive strings... then I'd be happy to play it.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:12 AM

View Postfretmeister, on 09 October 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

Ah.

For me the look of the bass is completely unimportant. If the perfectly balanced comfy bass, with acceptable tone was a Daisy Rock Butterfly with Trump's face on it, loaded with DR UV reactive strings... then I'd be happy to play it.
Now, a butterfly Daisy Rock, that could be cool! :D
Yet anything with Trump's face on it would simply need to be slapped.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:16 AM

View PostDelberthot, on 09 October 2017 - 06:52 AM, said:

I've never tried the La Bellas but I didn't find Chromes to be low tension.

I might have imagined this but are Fender strings made by D'addario? Might be an idea to look into their flats as they might be similar if they have no silks

Hmmm... Yes. Thanks. Didn't realise they did flats. I'll have to try them

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:42 AM

View PostGrangur, on 09 October 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

Now, a butterfly Daisy Rock, that could be cool! :D
Yet anything with Trump's face on it would simply need to be slapped.

As it happens I've got a Daisy Rock Butterfly - but the balance on it is rubbish! (alas!). Sounds like a pretty good P bass though.

I take it out when band mates are being too serious and need annoying!

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 11:18 AM

You sound like me. My response to everyone being ordered to gig dressed in black and only play black guitars (so we looked like a serious band) was to turn up in a red shirt with a Capri Orange bass :D - I didn't last long in that band!

String silk colour has never really bothered me although I seem to remember quite liking the pale blue of Dean Markley Blue Steels (I think) at one time.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:37 PM

What is the benefit of having silk wrappings anyways?

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:12 PM

View PostWestenra, on 09 October 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

What is the benefit of having silk wrappings anyways?
It means that when you take them off a bass to put on another bass (i'm constantly swapping and changing) they fray and look like crap!

I'm all for a good quality flat without silks, dont DR Legends have no silks?
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:21 PM

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It means that when you take them off a bass to put on another bass (i'm constantly swapping and changing) they fray and look like crap!

I'm all for a good quality flat without silks, dont DR Legends have no silks?

Been following this because I tend to swap strings around and silks don't play that game.

Pretty sure DR legends have silks, but not 100%.

D'addario half wounds don't have silks, not quite a flat but sound a lot like them when old.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 10:19 PM

Is there anything that can be done with knackered silks?
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:33 PM

There's a way to keep your current strings, but with a more neutral colour.

Dip the silks in black dye, leave them to dry, rinse them off, leave to dry again, apply to bass ... Job done.

If it's only the colour of the silks that you don't like, if you're ok with them being black, and you're happy with the sound and feel of the strings otherwise, then it's an option. Cheaper and less risky than buying a new set of strings that you're unfamiliar with.

I dyed the silks on a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt flats in this way. Dyed the purple silk to black. It worked absolutely fine.

Edited by Fionn, 10 October 2017 - 01:38 PM.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 04:29 PM

View PostFionn, on 10 October 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

There's a way to keep your current strings, but with a more neutral colour.

Dip the silks in black dye, leave them to dry, rinse them off, leave to dry again, apply to bass ... Job done.

If it's only the colour of the silks that you don't like, if you're ok with them being black, and you're happy with the sound and feel of the strings otherwise, then it's an option. Cheaper and less risky than buying a new set of strings that you're unfamiliar with.

I dyed the silks on a set of Ernie Ball Cobalt flats in this way. Dyed the purple silk to black. It worked absolutely fine.

This is cheating. It's deception at it's worst.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:05 PM

Can't you just pull the silk off?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:50 AM

View Postdannybuoy, on 10 October 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

Can't you just pull the silk off?
Strings without silk tend to have smooth windings right up to the ends. So the metal windings are smooth against the tuning peg.
Strings with silk have less steel under the silk. They have gaps in the windings and sharp edges to the steel, that the silk is there to cover.

Most of my basses have good quality tuners and I don't want to have the posts scratched too much with the rough edges.

If it costs money for a string maker to add the silk, so why would they do that if there wasn't a benefit? Or is it more a "serious disadvantage" of not having a smooth finish?

Smooth metal windings are, no doubt more expensive to produce, otherwise why would makers introduce the silk covering as an additional process to the manufacturer?
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:13 AM

View PostGrangur, on 10 October 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

This is cheating. It's deception at it's worst.

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Nae worries man.

I've got a set of Fender 9050's on the way. They're for a black and tort P Bass. Thing is, they've got that hideous lime-green silk on them. As soon as they arrive, the silks are getting dipped in the black stuff. Sure, it affects neither my tone, nor my technique, but there are aesthetic considerations. It's an unnecessary indulgence, to be sure, but hey, we've got food and shelter sorted out, so why the hell not?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:56 PM

Sadowsky Black Label flats have fairly discrete silks. They're a light grey that isn't very noticeable against the colour of the string. They're a bit darker and more old-school flatwound sounding than Chromes though.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:50 PM

When I suggested La Bellas, I was referring to no silk at the bridge end. They do have silks at the head end.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:47 PM

When I suggested La Bellas, I was referring to no silk at the bridge end. They do have silks at the head end.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:35 AM

My short scale D'Addario flats do have blue silk, very similar to La Bellas. As you know, I only took them off one bass last night... :)

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:21 AM

The Fender 9050CLs I use on occasion have quite a bright green coloured silk wrap.
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