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Posted 23 May 2007 - 11:02 PM

+1 for the ER20's the most affordable and best bit of kit I ever bought. If you could force me to choose, I'd give you my Stingray rather than play without them in. After a little bit of getting used to I now prefer to listen to live music with them in.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:57 AM

Sting in the tail! I am now suffering from vertigo, probably as a result of the damage to my ears.

I was looking forward to taking my son mountain climbing when he got old enough. Oh well.

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 12:04 AM

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Sting in the tail! I am now suffering from vertigo, probably as a result of the damage to my ears.

I was looking forward to taking my son mountain climbing when he got old enough. Oh well.

Never mind, get HIM to take YOU (he probably will anyway, the younger generation always thinks its parents are useless without a helping hand from them!)
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Posted 02 June 2007 - 12:29 AM

For those on a budget, you may be interested to know that I managed to blag a set of filtered moulds from the NHS...

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 08:02 PM

This company supply the top-end (custom fit) Etymotic ear protection (ER-15)... similar price about 165 - which for me is cheap to protect my hearing!!! If I had to spend 1,650 to make sure I didn't go deaf I would still call that a bargain price.
http://www.handhelda...ges/ui_home.asp
(and they are also the sole UK distributors for the 'Ultimate Ears' custom fit 'inner ear' monitor systems - the absolute best kit that all the top musicians & engineers use...(600-800) http://www.ultimateears.com/ - so they must know their stuff)

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 09:32 PM

Going to do it. Which level of reduction 15 or 25 dB?
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Posted 09 June 2007 - 02:13 PM

This is a topic incredibly close to my heart (and head) - after 20+ years of playing drums, 10 years of playing bass and countless gigs, I'm now suffering the effects. Tinnitus, hyperacusis and partial hearing loss in one ear. Nice - not. Once your hearing starts to go, it won't mend itself - you're on your way to being stuffed unless you do something.

160-ish for the custom-made Elacin plugs (or similar) is a small investment to protect your most valuable asset as a musician. I wish I'd done it earlier. I take them everywhere with me, even when going out to the pub in case the music's loud. Because they're quite clever at cutting out noise across the frequency spectrum, it actually makes it easier to hear people talking in noisy situations too! The cheaper Elacin ER-20s are quite good if you're on a tight budget, but I'd encourage everyone to give some serious thought to getting some ear protection.

By the way, I know this sounds like an advert for Elacin, so just to reassure you that I'm nothing to do with them, other than a satisfied customer, and I do feel rather passionate about this!

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 02:27 PM

View Postowen, on Jun 2 2007, 10:32 PM, said:

Going to do it. Which level of reduction 15 or 25 dB?

Depends on preference, really. 15dB is normally adequate for most applications, I'd reckon, unless you're doing very VERY loud stuff, as 25dB is cutting out an awful lot of sound (although I won't bore you by going into the details of how dB is a logarithmic unit of comparison rather than an absolute scale, therefore for every 1dB difference etc, etc...). Talk to the audiologist whom you choose to do your moulds - they're all qualified (or should be!), so should be able to give some good advice based on your requirements.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 08:33 AM

I really should get some ear protection. Thing is though that I seem to have a mild form of tinnitus which i've had pretty much as far back as i can remember, i think it's because as a young child (maybe some would argue i'm still a child now, but that's a different story altogether) i had very sensitive hearing, i couldn't even go to the cinema or anything. I think i have a bit of hyperacusis now aswell, for the last couple of nights i've been having trouble sleeping because of the ringing in my ears even though it's very mild and it's pretty much the same as the previous nights. I just can't switch off because my brain keeps trying to switch me back on, if that makes sense. So thanks ian for giving me that link, if it ruins my holiday i'm definetly seeing the doctor about it.

Also when you consider that 100db is like a loud rock gig and 75 is like the sound your car probably makes traveling along the motorway, that 25 db of protection really does begin to make sense.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 03:36 PM

View PostEdwardHimself, on Jun 20 2007, 09:33 AM, said:

Also when you consider that 100db is like a loud rock gig and 75 is like the sound your car probably makes traveling along the motorway, that 25 db of protection really does begin to make sense.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 03:48 PM

I am a HUGE supporter of hearing protection, having bought musicians' earplugs relatively soon after joining my first band. Before spending your next 150 on a bass, amp or pedals, go and get some custom plugs made, their are truly the best thing since sliced bread. You will not believe how much clearer everything sounds - simply because your ears are distorting much less. And bear in mind that when your ears are distorting they are being damaged and they never recover.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 07:11 PM

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I am a HUGE supporter of hearing protection, having bought musicians' earplugs relatively soon after joining my first band. Before spending your next 150 on a bass, amp or pedals, go and get some custom plugs made, their are truly the best thing since sliced bread. You will not believe how much clearer everything sounds - simply because your ears are distorting much less. And bear in mind that when your ears are distorting they are being damaged and they never recover.

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I'm off for a hearing test tomorrow as I am starting to suspect my hearing has suffered in recent years. After that, I'm definately going for some full-on protection, probably from here: http://www.soundguard.co.uk/one.htm.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 11:13 PM

I wear Doc Proplugs, non-vented, for every single gig that i do! Including all gigs and other 'loud' events that i go to.
I even put them in once when i went to a bowling alley, it was ridiculously loud lol.
They form part of my 'every morning pickup', Keys, Wallet, Phone, Plugs

I'm aiming to have a hearing test soon and get some fitted plugs soon though
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Posted 01 July 2007 - 08:21 AM

Ear plugs are definitely a must when practicing at high volumes. I use them all the time, and im sure i would go deaf if i didnt (damn drummer!!!).
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View Postlowhand_mike, on May 22 2007, 11:12 AM, said:

well first time after practice last night my left ear was really hurting, still is to be honest so i think now is the time to do something about it (might be a bit late but better than not at all) seeing as my amp is now really chucking out the volume.
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 03:25 PM

It's the cymbals for me too. Stood right next to the drummers hihats. It hurts.

I've taken to using the etymotic er-20's too. They're great plugs.
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:06 PM

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I wear Doc Proplugs, non-vented, for every single gig that i do! Including all gigs and other 'loud' events that i go to.
I even put them in once when i went to a bowling alley, it was ridiculously loud lol.
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I'm aiming to have a hearing test soon and get some fitted plugs soon though
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:22 PM

Saw Ash in Koko's last week and had forgotten my earplugs. As soon as they started playing my ears overloaded and distorted - when things are too loud it sounds like listening through a fuzz pedal. Improvised some emergency plugs with tissue paper and thankfully they did the job. Scary...

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:36 PM

Another reccomendation for the ER20's! Band practice is so much more bearable now, loud noises make irritable let alone the already well known effect on hearing. If you haven't got any earplugs yet then for god sake shell out a tenner and grab some of these!

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 01:08 PM

I posted in Dood's thread back on bassworld or whatever it used to be (f*** knows how you're supposed to keep track LOL - only just found this one!) - picked the 15db jobbies from audiologist a couple of months back. Superb basically, don't think that the comments posted need any expansion.

One thing I will say is that 15db is plenty to make intimate (and bloody loud) metal gigs a very comfortable volume - most recently, Napalm Death. 25db is probably intended for industrial applications; I don't care how loud your band is, you don't need them unless you have particularly sensitive hearing in which case you wouldn't have been able to join a band in the first place :)

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 01:34 PM

Just found out that your local SpecSavers do the full service for the custom-fit Etymotic ER-15 attenuated ear plugs:
http://www.specsavershearcare.co.uk/
I was looking at travelling miles (taking a day off work) to get the moulds done until I found this out...rang my local branch & spoke to a very nice lady Audiologist - booked in for the test & fitting in Banbury.
Job done.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 05:34 PM

The Birmingham specsavers lady is really rather tasty (New Street) - an added bonus :)

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The Birmingham specsavers lady is really rather tasty (New Street) - an added bonus :)


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Posted 01 August 2007 - 08:35 AM

Had my free 'Specsavers' test done yesterday and I passed with flying colours. They offer the moulded personalised earplug service 160, 6 week lead time and the ER20's @ 14 however a quick search on eBay found the identical same product for 6.99 (+2.99 P&P).
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ETYMOTIC-ER20-Musici...1QQcmdZViewItem

Oh I have to add that the test conditions were a bit cobbled together! The guy had a room set off to one side that had the air-con unit or something similar running in the cupboard and staff chatting on the other side of the standard door (not soundproofed). He did apologise at the beginning for this... and explained this was just a test to get a 'rough idea of the state of my hearing'.

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 08:51 AM

View Postamj, on Jul 17 2007, 07:36 PM, said:

Another reccomendation for the ER20's! Band practice is so much more bearable now, loud noises make irritable let alone the already well known effect on hearing. If you haven't got any earplugs yet then for god sake shell out a tenner and grab some of these!
What he said. I find rehearsal much more enjoyable since purchasing some ER20's, plus I find where I've had trouble hearing myself at gigs I can now hear everything much more clearly. Probably the best tenner I've spent in a long time.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:19 PM

View Postwarwickhunt, on Aug 1 2007, 09:35 AM, said:

Had my free 'Specsavers' test done yesterday and I passed with flying colours. They offer the moulded personalised earplug service 160, 6 week lead time and the ER20's @ 14 however a quick search on eBay found the identical same product for 6.99 (+2.99 P&P).
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ETYMOTIC-ER20-Musici...1QQcmdZViewItem

Oh I have to add that the test conditions were a bit cobbled together! The guy had a room set off to one side that had the air-con unit or something similar running in the cupboard and staff chatting on the other side of the standard door (not soundproofed). He did apologise at the beginning for this... and explained this was just a test to get a 'rough idea of the state of my hearing'.

I had a very different experience today at the Banbury 'Specsavers' - the test was done in a professional soundproof booth. The booth itself was in a very quiet room (much like a GP's office). So I had a very accurate full-spectrum test which revealed the classic '4KHz dip' in my hearing. The damage being caused by over 25 years exposure to rock n roll. This was not unexpected. But still a bit sobering - just a shame that you couldn't buy anything like this in my youth...
I've ordered the 160 custom set (there's no way I'm skimping on ear protection!) & had the moulds made - & the (very professional & very attractive young lady!) Audiologist did tell me that the results were sent to the manufacturers of the custom sets to help produce the best set for me.
I may get some 'Ultimate Ear' monitors as well...for recording & live.

For any young folk reading this thread - for F**K's SAKE - get your self some hearing protection now. Sort it out today!
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As I've already said - when I started playing 25 years ago there was nothing like these earplugs available - so we just got on with it & are paying the price now. There is no way you can reverse hearing damage. The damge to my hearing isn't severe - but when you see that dip on the test graph - it's not a pleasant sight.
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Posted 03 August 2007 - 11:51 AM

View Post99ster, on Aug 2 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

For any young folk reading this thread - for F**K's SAKE - get your self some hearing protection now. Sort it out today!

Yes, big PLUS ONE with flashing blue lights and a 'fanfare' sound!

even if you start with a set of ER20's .. do it.. do it now! Treat yourself and get the moulded plugs though.. You lugs will thank you!

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 01:53 PM

The custom moulded plugs... anyone know who/where they are done at a cost of less than 160?

I know my hearing is worth that but I'm sure I've seen moulds being made at Game Fair trade stands (shooting type game fair NOT Warhammer, D&D etc) for 60-70!
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Posted 03 August 2007 - 02:00 PM

View Postwarwickhunt, on Aug 3 2007, 02:53 PM, said:

I know my hearing is worth that but I'm sure I've seen moulds being made at Game Fair trade stands (shooting type game fair NOT Warhammer, D&D etc) for 60-70!

That 160 includes the price of the filters, which from what I recall of the spare filter prices is about half of the total cost. Shooting ear protection is much simpler, aiming to block as much sound as possible instead of evenly filtering it by a fixed amount.

One boutique effects pedal or good hearing for the rest of your life?

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 02:01 PM

View Postwarwickhunt, on Aug 3 2007, 02:53 PM, said:

The custom moulded plugs... anyone know who/where they are done at a cost of less than 160?

I know my hearing is worth that but I'm sure I've seen moulds being made at Game Fair trade stands (shooting type game fair NOT Warhammer, D&D etc) for 60-70!


The 160 includes the filter as well- the moulds on their own come in at around 80 with the filters costing about the same again.

I had some ER-15s done a month or 2 ago.
I think these things are a bit like pensions or looking after your teeth when your young. You don't really see the point until it's usually too late.
The best 180 I've spent in a long time (I paid a bit more to get a quicker turn around time, and a tenner for the cord so I could look like Larry Grayson between sets)





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