Geddys nose Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [url="http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Bass_Amps/Bass_400_/bass_400_.html"]http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Bas.../bass_400_.html[/url] A sad day in the bass amp market,Good job I've got one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='Geddys nose' post='68980' date='Oct 3 2007, 11:03 AM'][url="http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Bass_Amps/Bass_400_/bass_400_.html"]http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Bas.../bass_400_.html[/url] A sad day in the bass amp market,Good job I've got one [/quote] No great loss. <Stands back and awaits the abuse> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Actually... is this because it's not RoHS compliant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Yep. I wonder whats next? My prediction is an over styled chrome thing with LEDs everywhere and a name like 'EXXXTREME' as I said on Talkbass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddys nose Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='EBS_freak' post='68981' date='Oct 3 2007, 11:12 AM']No great loss. <Stands back and awaits the abuse> [/quote] LoL! I would think its something to do with RoHS but is it the same in the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='ped' post='68983' date='Oct 3 2007, 11:15 AM']Yep. I wonder whats next? My prediction is an over styled chrome thing with LEDs everywhere and a name like 'EXXXTREME' as I said on Talkbass![/quote] Where can I get this solid state, chrome EXXXTREME with the blue LEDs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 It's a shame actually. I remember Macca playing with a few of those amps behind him and thought - I want one of those. I have a Fender Twin that houses a significant amount of tubes.... and after seeing how many tubes that 400+ takes, I don't think my wallet was ready for taking on another money pit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 RoHS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='bass_ferret' post='69025' date='Oct 3 2007, 12:38 PM']RoHS?[/quote] www.rohs.gov.uk - hey - don't get quoting me...! There may be other reasons why they are pulling the 400+! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythSte Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Its obviously because they want to move production to vietnam.... :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsymoth Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 they need the jobs & money in Vietnam more than we do. that aside, there is a new Laney 400 with eight KT88's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='ste_m3' post='69111' date='Oct 3 2007, 03:53 PM']Its obviously because they want to move production to vietnam.... :ph34r:[/quote] Extremely unlikely I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Blimey, that sucks. Which materials in the amp are supposed to be hazardous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='Geddys nose' post='68985' date='Oct 3 2007, 11:17 AM']LoL! I would think its something to do with RoHS but is it the same in the US?[/quote] It's where you sell the product which counts, not where it's built, and since most of the world is now taking up the RoHS directive it makes sense to make everything compliant. Plus it would be a bloody nightmare having a production line with a mix of RoHS and non-RoHs compliant builds... Some US states even have slightly more stringent requirements, as does China. [quote name='Crazykiwi' post='69163' date='Oct 3 2007, 05:15 PM']Blimey, that sucks. Which materials in the amp are supposed to be hazardous?[/quote] Good question, would be interesting to know! I know from my experience that it really depends on a lot of things; I suspect there's either one random component they buy which they can't replace with a suitable compliant component or they can't use the correct solder or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='gypsymoth' post='69116' date='Oct 3 2007, 04:16 PM']that aside, there is a new Laney 400 with eight KT88's[/quote] [url="http://www.laney.co.uk/show_prod.php?prod=nexus-tube"]Click - it looks interesting![/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Yes. They have been advertising in a couple of editions of BGM. The only problem is the name on the front, having always been associated with cheap gear with wobbly pots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Can't you just take the badge off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 That wont fix the wobbly pots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='EBS_freak' post='68982' date='Oct 3 2007, 11:14 AM']Actually... is this because it's not RoHS compliant?[/quote] Royal Horticultural Society...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='The Funk' post='69184' date='Oct 3 2007, 05:55 PM'][url="http://www.laney.co.uk/show_prod.php?prod=nexus-tube"]Click - it looks interesting![/url][/quote] There's an all tube Peavey now too, if you're put off by a Laney badge. [url="http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/116590/Tour(tm)%20VB-2.cfm"]Click Here[/url] Cheers, Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 [quote name='bass_ferret' post='69193' date='Oct 3 2007, 06:07 PM']That wont fix the wobbly pots [/quote] I like the idea of an all-valve head but that thing weighs more than my cabs. So I won't be buying it, ripping off the badge and getting a tech to change all the pots. Still, I do wonder how it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 All valve heads weigh too much. Great if you have a road crew but.... Marshall VBA 400 36kg. £750, sounds amazing but 80lbs Noooooooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Merton' post='69178' date='Oct 3 2007, 05:50 PM']Good question, would be interesting to know! I know from my experience that it really depends on a lot of things; I suspect there's either one random component they buy which they can't replace with a suitable compliant component or they can't use the correct solder or something...[/quote] There are many hazardous materials involved - one of the biggest problem is generally with lead content in the solder. - Whipped from Wiki - Lead-free solder A coil of lead-free solder wireAccording to the European Union Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive (WEEE) and Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive (RoHS), lead had to be eliminated from electronic systems by July 1, 2006, leading to much interest in lead-free solders. These contain tin, copper, silver, and sometimes bismuth, indium, zinc, antimony, and other metals in varying amounts. The lead-free replacements for conventional Sn60/Pb40 solder have higher melting points, requiring re-engineering of most components and materials used in electronic assemblies. Lead-free solder joints may produce mechanically weaker joints depending on service and manufacture conditions, which may lead to a decrease in reliability using such solders. "Tin Whiskers" are another problem with many lead-free solders, where slender crystals of tin slowly grow out of the solder joint. These whiskers can bridge a short circuit years after a device's manufacture. For those REALLY interested... [url="http://www.npl.co.uk/ei/news/epparticle.html"]http://www.npl.co.uk/ei/news/epparticle.html[/url] It wouldn't surprise me if the only ones left in the country are those shipped from last year. If it is because of RoHS, it seems like the 400+ isn't rehashing to make it compliant so they are more likely to start from scratch? Has anybody sent Mesa an email asking why? Edited October 4, 2007 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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