Beedster

It’s a long way from Kent but I’m almost tempted to travel down following that post @Marvin 🙏

I’m guessing that - with some inevitability -the answer is no 🤔

It is bollocks if you're being made to feel that your being paid is unfair on someone else, but that's a different question to the OP's point The vast majority of people we're talking about here are not pros, and those who are - like professionals in every field at present - need to recognise that the economy is changing. Venues that go under now will not start up again, in a year's time they'll be flats or corner shops. A little bit of give and take, in for example the scenario in the first post, far from being an existential threat to the livelihood of musicians, will help protect the future of live music as a whole

Yep, I started that thread largely to address the same issues that are raised in this thread, they're pretty much parallel conversations

When all you pros are forced to busk in the streets for coins because all the venues have gone under and there are 200 applicants for every seat at the few shows that still have live players, I'll throw some coins in your hat 👍

That's a line I hear too often and it's bollocks, everyone has the right to be paid, or to choose to not be paid, for what they do

That’s because for many of us a band is ultimately a hobby, if it’s a job that’s fine, but that it is a job for some does not mean that the same rules re fees apply across the board. If all the venues go under, where are we gonna play? Musicians need to help venues through what I hope is the tail end of a very bad five years for many of them 👍

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That's my point, I doubt many people are getting them but I know people who are expecting them

Fair point but probably not because it's their job - i.e., how they pay their rent - not their hobby. For most musicians, in real terms it's their hobby not their job. Those musicians for whom it is their job would, like the bar staff, say 'not unless you're paying'.

I'm interested in knowing your thoughts/experience before I go ahead with installing a P-PUP in what looks to be close the Mark Hoppus Bass position, albeit with the coils in conventional arrangement with bass coil further from the bridge than the treble coil (the body has another PUP closer to the bridge and a currently unoccupied P-PUP rout hence this question). What might be the benefits, what might be the limitations? Thanks

This is true, but many are simply struggling. Live music is an ecosystem, bands depend on venues, venues depend on bands. The venue side of the equation is facing hell at present, costs are going up significantly, revenues are coming down significantly. Too many bands expect the same fees they were commanding in 2021, so it's easy for a venue to give the appearance of badly run when they're in a lose/lose situation much of the time (by that I mean they lose if the don't put bands on and lose if they do)

Re the Hoppus Bass what are people's thoughts on the PUP being closer to the neck han a classic Precision (looks to be the case on the Jaguar above also), i.e., effects on tone etc?

..... or a Friday afternoon instrument?

I would, don't see it as an unpaid gig, see it as a free rehearsal All joking aside and re this.... .... I'm not sure what a genuine supporter of live music is or isn't, but if it's a genuine music venue as opposed to a pub that just wants free acts, I'd be in.