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It's both economics and functionality. I use RCF 745's; the 4" coil compression units are £300 ea, the amplifier modules £200+ per amp and a 15" drive unit from RCF around £300, that's without th e DSP, matching horn flare and all the other bits of hardware. Building at that standard would cost well over £1,000 per cab and I paid £1300 for a pair second hand. In addition I don't really have the facilities to develop and design the crossover, even if I had that level of skill. I know how long it took @stevie to design the crossovers for his cabs and this is someone who designed for KEF and Yamaha. Did I mention the cost of pro level design software? The truth is that it would be really challenging to match the technology now used in speaker design. The plus side is that you can buy some really good kit for not a lot of money. Active cabs with amplification and speakers designed as a complete system saves money and time setting up and allows you the chance to design in things that the best sound engineers can do but few bands could deliver. It's a bit like trying to build your own car, you might be able to build something which excels in one aspect but it is going to cost you a fortune, take up hours of your time and isn't going to be able to match an ordinary family car in general usefulness and probably reliability On a practical level if I am in a band I want a PA I can use tomorrow. I'd be balancing the needs of the band against any desire to build my own PA and if the band folds I can sell the PA and get most of my investment back.
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Vocal Microphones, what are you using?
Phil Starr replied to Phil Starr's topic in PA set up and use
That's interesting, I never thought of trying and I need to sort the pop filter which has turned into dust. Fortunately a Basschatter 3D printed me a new sleeve after seeing the post above and once I fix the pop filter the mic will be fully restored. BassChat is truly a wonderful place to be. Thanks for the tip @Dan Dare I'll see if I can get a pop filter, it'll save me having to improvise. I still think your avatar should be a space ship -
Welcome back @LawrenceH it's good to see you again, I did a double take when I saw your post The M18 seems to be going at around £300 used. The downsides are 'only' 8 proper mic channels, it will only record the stereo mix and the external antenna is slightly flimsy. My band is a 4 piece and we all sing so four voal mis and three drum mics are do-able and you have 6 aux outputs for monitoring. Two of the channels are hi-Z for guitar and bass with amp sims and fx. Band members can access their monitor mix on their phones but are locked out of doing any damage elsewhere The plus side is wi-fi that works. Really slick seamless software with very little in the way of a learning curve. I was up and away in 10mins at the first rehearsal. No menu that is more than two clicks away. Gloriously you can tap on any of the faders and they will go up or down 1db so one two or three taps will usually get you where you want mid gig.
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Sadly they no longer manufacture this. I've even bought a second one, they are so good that I don't want to lose what they do. Fundamentally they are designed to do one job and that is to mix live music for a typical pub/club band. You have extensive facilities but nothing that is superfluous but workflow is meticulously worked out to be simple for any poor sod who is mixing whilst playing. Zero problems with the wi-fi on the mixer though Apple have decided that you can't use an iPad without an internet connection for more than an hour. I need to stop it tethering to my phone in the middle of a gig. That's not the mixer's fault it's 'Apple knows best'
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It's also just possible to use spade terminals which crimp to the wires without soldering, though I recommend soldering if you can do it.
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If it helps this is the back of the Speakon sockets. They are neatly marked as +1 and -1 the +1 is connected to the +1 on the second socket and then to the + or red terminal on the speaker. If you use a jack socket then you are very naughty, but the tip of the jack is the +1 and the sleeve is the -1.
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It's never a bad thing to seal up the cab. I usually use draughtproofing foam strip to seal my connector plates and the baffles and rear panels which on my personal cabs are just screwed and not glued. Interestingly some allowance for leakage is made when calculating the cab sizes and tuning Using a factor called Ql. WinISD defaults to Ql=7 which is what I've always done anyway and by and large the measurements on the cab come out very close to those expected. You can't seal everything and the magnetic gap in the speaker itself is almost always open but sealing things where you can is good.
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How was your open mic or jam night last night?
Phil Starr replied to tauzero's topic in General Discussion
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" I'm OK with technology but genuine musicians still seem like magicians to me. We had a keyboard player in one band who was classically trained. We'd finished our reherasal and were talking about female vocals and Pink Floyd's Great Gig In The Sky came up; which she'd never heard of. We played an MP3 to her once over the PA and she played it back, both hands, pretty much perfectly whilst our singer did the vocals. I know that 'it's just scales' but to see a human doing something like that in real time seems like magic. -
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How was your open mic or jam night last night?
Phil Starr replied to tauzero's topic in General Discussion
It's a confidence thing, I've rarely jammed along to anything and I hate being out of control. I've not got a great ear either. Playing something I've never heard before without even a chord chart sounds to me about as embarrassing as appearing naked in public I used to run an open mic night/jam session and was looking to build up the idea of a 'great song book' which as an organser would have helped me to get as many people as possible on stage and performing. I always liked the idea of getting sole musicians/young musicians the chance of performing with other musicians and was gradually building up a house band to support this. Sadly the pub relaunched as a gastropub just as we really got going. -
That's good advice. Underpowered, so called practice amps are the best way possible to put off anyone starting out on bass. Get a small 'real' amp that will sound great at home and make the lovely full sound that made us all want to be bassists. They don't need to be huge either the BG250 has been mentioned. My first proper amp was a Hatrke Kickback 10, It sounded great and was good enough to see me through to first rehearsals with a drummer. I even managed a few gigs with it. Small enough to fit in any car but tbh it weighed more than it should have. It might be worth looking at separates if funds allow. Something like the Warwick Gnome will fit in a gig bag and combined with a 1x10 can be a very portable rig. Go for a good condition used amp and avoid the starter amps completely, they are a false economy as you can't really sell them and they really aren't fit for purpose. They will also kill any enthusiasm for bass. Probably the best thing you could do would be to go along and listen to a few things with her. Do you know what the budget is?
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Vocal Microphones, what are you using?
Phil Starr replied to Phil Starr's topic in PA set up and use
Not at all, choice of mic is much more personal than choosing a bass. The Senny e945 is an excellent mic and I'd probably choose that if I didn't play bass whilst singing. My e935 is more forgiving and I'm loud enough that feedback is rarely an issue. Nothing wrong with EV or Audiotechnica either. All great choices. I've an old EV ND 757 which could be the best sounding mic I have but the plastic handle is decaying and held together with shrink wrap so stays at home. We are lucky to have such a wide range of choices of mic with some truly great mics in the £100-200 price bracket. -
I'm pretty sure these were what I played through at the open mic.
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2025 SE Bass Basheroonie! Sunday 9/11/25 *CONFIRMED*
Phil Starr replied to NancyJohnson's topic in Events
Orange did but it is slightly bonkers for a portable cab. You get the cost and weight of a 2x12 but the output of a 1x12. Cab size is slightly more complex. You can increase the size of the cab and change the tuning but it get's increasingly hard to have a flat response. That's the short version btw, I'm happy to do a longer explanation but it would be moderately technical and potentially very long. Worth a question in amps and speakers maybe but a bit ao a thread de-rail. Good to meet you on Sunday btw -
2025 SE Bass Basheroonie! Sunday 9/11/25 *CONFIRMED*
Phil Starr replied to NancyJohnson's topic in Events
I think that was the 1x6?? I've just put the smaller 1x12 back into the loft and it is definitely front mounted All of my speakers are mounted from the outside nowadays. A lot of the prototypes were just screwed into place but ones I used for gigging regularly had the screws rplaced with bolts and T-nuts. I'm trying threaded inserts for my next build though as I find t-nuts problemmatic when they are so close to the speaker cutout. -
2025 SE Bass Basheroonie! Sunday 9/11/25 *CONFIRMED*
Phil Starr replied to NancyJohnson's topic in Events
If anyone wants to build the 8" design it is here. It works as it is but we are tweeking the design by a couple of mm to make panel cutting a bit easier. the designs should be tweaked in the next few days. Heaven knows how BassChat chose a pic of a different cab to show
