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I'm not sure how interested anyone will be in this cab but I'll offer it up for comments and questions in the hope that some of you might find it useful. At the recent South West Bass Bash I demonstrated just about the simplest way to self build a bass cab. I took 42 minutes from the first glue to a working cab, my aim was to demonstrate just how easy building your own cab can be. It was really just built for a demonstration and I didn't expect to use the cab much but it turned out better than I expected, so I thought I'd share the design. This cab is effectively the little brother of the cab I designed on here a couple or years ago, 14kg, 350W, 122dB and costing about£150 to build. You can find the information here https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/227904-1x12-cab-design-diary The original cab was a 50l cab based upon the Beyma SM212 driver and designed to produce lot's of deep well controlled bass with a neutral uncoloured response, several people here have built versions of the cab and I've been gigging it for two years. My problem with the original cab has been that in rooms with poor acoustics there has been too much bass and I was tending to dial down the deep bass and boost the upper bass. It sounds great in non resonant rooms and out of doors but has way too much bass if you are shoved into the corner of a low ceilinged room. Since I had promised to demonstrate a cab build anyway I thought I'd squeeze the Beyma into a smaller cab which would reduce it's bass output but give it a 2dB boost in the lower mids/upper bass which I thought would help cut through in difficult spaces. UPDATE It looks like Beyma are about to pull the SM212. Coincidentally I've just been given a Beyma 12CMV2 to try in this cab, it has the same magnet but with a heavier cone, stiffer suspension and a new voice coil. It also has a pressed steel chassis and is considerably cheaper. The good news is that in this cab it actually sounds better. The bass response is basically unchanged, but one of the frequency anomalies of the SM212 has gone and there is a broad boost in output in the upper mids which makes the sound lighter and more detailed. I'm still investigating and haven't tried it at a gig for COVID reasons but I'm happy to recommend this speaker if anyone is thinking of a build. If I get more information I'll put it here. If you do fancy building one yourself then the panels for the cab are 2x 374mmx290mm, 2 450mmx 290mm and 2 450mmx350mm (all 12mm ply) the front baffle is set back 30mm to allow for the grille so internally the cab is 350mmx450mmx236mm. the ports are made of drainpipe/downpipe which is 64mm internal diameter 160mm long You should be able to build it from these dimensions and the video. thanks to WoodinBlack for filming this. I loaned the cab to derreybass who has written a review, many thanks to him too. I'll save a space under for the review and put up some more pics when I get my upload problems sorted. Thanks also to Mrs Scrumpy for lunch which is far too obvious in the video

Many years ago the good lady wife and I holidayed in Venezuela. Having bounced around various heritage sites we fetched up in the Venezuelan capital and discovered that our hotel was overflowing with tubby, middle-aged male Brits, these being industry delegates on a 'fact-finding trip' organised by the British Meat Processors' Association - the trade body for UK slaughterhouse owners. That evening the hotel mounted a 'cultural celebration of music and dance' in the main bar and it soon became clear that the British abbatoir chaps were far more interested in the free aguardiente (a local rum) than upon the folkloric aspect of the night's entertainment. Eventually a handful of them invaded the stage, seizing from the outraged performers various items of percussion the better to accompany their chant of 'I'd rather be a Turk than Venezuelan'. Fisticuffs ensued, the police arrived etc. Next day the English-language newspaper Correo del Orinoco carried the headline: 'Knackers With Maraccas Cause a Fracas In Caracas'.

haha - don't overestimate my abilities I put the pieces on the carpet to see what it would all look like in scale. A bit dark but I am actually pretty happy with this: Nothing is specifically lined up here, just moving things around to get a general feel of it. And no, I am not going to use 5ps for the controls, just needed something to mark out the buttons. Although now I look at it I realise that if I do it in that pattern they would have to be parallel with the two edges that they run along or it would forever annoy me.

I always make sure to see Jeff when he comes to Milwaukee. The smaller the venue the better. Jeff played the rather small Turner Hall ( an old gym from the 50s). I arrived early, real early walked in on their sound check. Here I am, alone with Jeff, Tal and Vinnie. When I realized what I had done I freaked out , turned around and left before I got the boot. Great night, great show, somehow I ended up standing in front of the stage with Rick Neilson from Cheap Trick. Blue

I've been in covers bands for 50 years and could probably play 90% of the numbers I've played over that period. I put 200+ in the poll however, you wouldn't want to bet on me remembering the first vocal line of any song I'm singing, or why I've walked upstairs 😂

if he's a really good front man he's probably a narcissist, most are drummers that don't drive aren't a problem as long as someone else is happy to transport them and their gear around, otherwise it is a no no for me as well

You could get an old Diesel cab for not very much. Ok, a bit heavy but they're awesome cabs. Here it next to the Subway 15s that replaced it (eventually).

So I bought a new router bit that has the bearing at the end, as the one I had was only really short. There were some really cheap ones but I got something that seemed decent, and god it is sharp. Used it on the other side of the wood and what a difference it makes. No resistance at all and the edges it makes are smooth, rather than rough like that top. Wish I had shelled out for the first half. So the outline is done, and although it is a little rough in places, where I can file it down, the only place it is bad is on the top horn, where unfortunately a piece of wood chipped out on the overlap. Might just round it off a bit more. It is wider than it needed to be which is lucky as it needs a bit of work. But in general pretty happy. Will spend some time getting the sides smooth the old fashioned hand way, then on to the scary bit of cutting out the neck joint, pickup holes, electronics and making the bevelled bits, the arm dent and stomach bit!

Let us know how you get on. The fact that the drummer still hasn't got back to you doesn't do him any favours. In my opinion, you should walk as it sounds like you've got all the skills and you're doing all the work. It's bad enough when you have one passenger in a band - but if you've got two or three, there's something very wrong. And that's without mentioning their musical competence, or lack of it. Life's too short to pander to flakes and fantasists. But as I said, just my 2p. Play it your way for sure and good luck.

Yep so did I.

no ones doing a wedding for 200 notes Phil !

I think that making "affordable instruments" is part of Gibson's problem. In addition to the leisure brand acquisitions referred to above, they appear have spread their core business too thin, trying to appeal to everyone. They make solely in the USA (and fair play to them for that), pay people proper wages and as a result, are never going to compete with far eastern manufacturers who hire children, pay them in bags of gravel, don't have to abide by any workplace or materials regulations, etc, etc. When I was young (a loooong time ago), a Gibson was something you aspired to owning. I saved up for several years to buy my first Gibson instrument. Now, every shop seems stuffed with them and they are trying to sell at all price points. They should go back to making things that are special/desirable and leave the entry-level instruments to the mass producers, even if that means, as it undoubtedly will, that they become smaller (and also leaner and fitter). Just my opinion, of course.

It is frustrating, but not everyone is like that. I'm not dissimilar to you - own a high quality PA and am on the case when it comes to business issues and I've been in that position. There are some who view someone like us as a nurse/nanny/skivvy and try to take advantage. It's the same in most areas of work - there are people who take the lead and those who tag along and do the minimum. I don't think our advice will change anything (it isn't as if the band members are likely to say "The chaps on Basschat agree with you, so we'd better pull up our socks", after all), although I appreciate that you are probably looking for a bit of a confidence boost or confirmation that you are not being unreasonable (if what you say is true, you are being very reasonable). That's fair enough, but you don't have to answer to anyone but yourself in the end. I'd advise telling them exactly what the problems are for you and what you expect them to do to put it right. Don't take no, or even maybe, for an answer. If you go, they'll have no gigs and no equipment, so make that clear to them. Draw up a list of agreed goals/changes to the way things are and make them commit to them. If they won't do that, walk. As others say, with decent equipment and business sense, you will be an asset to plenty of bands (I'm assuming that you can play a bit, too, of course). It may be tough to be without something in the short term, but you'll be glad you did it later. Bon chance.

You can't lose IMO. I've just taken my 80's Arpege out for a play; criminally it's been in it's case for about four months unplayed - it was still in perfect tune! That Excess is stunning.

I should have said ' shape up ' I've lost the ability to type the English language

That's about as diplomatic as you can be. If they don't up shape after that, have it away on your Nikes

Update: I have gone with my gut and the majority here and sent out a message on our whattsapp to say that I am not happy with our current situation and we need to meet up to talk rather than say nothing and walk away. I have had some responses from the singer who seems worried but nothing yet from the drummer yet.

You're clinging onto the band because at least its a band and the' in no band' wilderness is a depressing place to be if you have no immediate direction. These two idiots serve only one purpose in your life right now and that's to make sure you don't get any better at playing bass by restricting every possible positive bass playing experience you could be having elsewhere. Bin them with immediate effect and get on with your life. Use this as a what not to do in bands learning experience.

And as I said, your drummer is a reasonable exception. As someone who relied on being driven to rehearsals by a bandmate with my bass gear for a few month before I passed my driving test (I hope I behaved very professionally) perhaps I am being too harsh.

In which case it should be renamed "pbassspecial and the dreamers"?

In fairness, that's a generalisation, and also a bit harsh. I played for years in a band with a drummer who did not drive, due to his eye sight. He was a great drummer and a nice guy all round. The other band members and I, shared the transport duties. I would prefer a non driving drummer with a pro attitude over a driving one with a bad and lazy attitude.

Sounds like a case of sack it off. You have a PA. You are a very attractive prospect for existing bands... or in an ideal position to start again and be more critical when it comes to hiring. Life too short for that kind of shizzle. Enjoy the inevitable bad mouthing though if you do decide to uproot.

Or, alternatively, chin both of them.

This is easy... Drummer = c*** Singer = c*** ...any drummer who doesn’t drive isn’t a drummer, they are a royal pain in the a*** and that’s before any of the other negative traits you mentioned. Embrace the C word here and walk.

I'd quit, non-driving drummers can be a real pain, means they aren't responsible for getting their own kit to a show, so they get sloppy, and not driving can mean they'll drink & smoke more than is good for the music. I'm slowly stepping away from a band I've been in for the last five years as this becomes more and more of an issue.

I think the original question should be... how many songs that are not derived from a standard 12 bar blues progression can you play...?

Leave. I made that decision as soon as I reached the "Drummer doesn't drive" bit, let alone the rest. I don't care if it's Dennis Chambers - he transports his own frakking kit.

I really couldn't be in a band which is named after one member...stinks of narcissism and egotism.

Now and again I get the Dubster out..

Short memory? Read the thread again, that was answered in detail.

I think anything called SMX indicates the dual band compressor. You can also get these as an effcts pedal, rare though. SMC models have a single knob compressor, akin to their Ashdown brethren. However my experience is the TE version works better.

Yeah, fair call. Each to their own for sure. It has to be right for you. Good luck with this fun journey and please, keep us posted

I've played in bands where i didn't pick any of the songs but the band was a style i wasn't really into. The songs were well liked by audience and to be honest i enjoyed playing them. I've also been in bands where i didn't pick the songs and were all within a specific genre ie heavy metal and after trying it for a few rehearsals decided it wasn't for me. I left that particular band. Think my point is that you either go along with the democratic vote and play whatever the deciding vote says or you leave and find a band that suits what you want to do. If the drummer thinks the songs are boring to play then he needs to move on and find a band or style of music that suits what he wants to do. Compromise or form your own band where you dictate everything. Dave

Obviously my experience with drummers is different from yours. Guess I'm just lucky. FWIW...I still think the.....'any drummer who doesn’t drive isn’t a drummer..." statement IS harsh. They may have valid reasons (like my drummer) for not driving.

And there I was thinking this was going to be a discussion about the song.

Life is too short to be putting up wth this kind of hassle. Have a friendly and diplomatic chat and put your points across. If people are not prepared to have a professional attitude...then walk away.

Get a bigger shirt?

No, not without using a three gang custom type pot. Which is not cheap, or easy to use. Or electronics. Or a switch.

It weighs a ton, though

Hang on... Markbass. Ugly? Maybe they do look like they lifted their image from Tonka toys... but there's some far uglier cabs out there.

I'm not sure that someone who can't tell an invoice from a bank payment advice should really be calling people nerds with no ACTUAL knowledge.

Yep, I`ve changed the bridge plate for a Gotoh one on my MIM that has the grooves in (£15), changed the scratchplate (£10) put a set of Tonerider pickups in (£35) plus a KiOgon wiring loom (£30). I`ve also added a Hipshot triple string retainer (£15) to keep the pesky A string where it should be. I`ve pretty much decided to now use my MIM as my main gigging bass. I bought it for £350 and have added an extra £100 to it, it will now save me gigging my fave US Precision that cost me £900. Now I`m not doing the US instruments down, not at all, they are my fave, but the current MIMs really are very good value, especially if you buy one second hand and make any changes you feel you need.

Also the only person I've ever heard Jimmy Page talk about with genuine respect and affection....

Totally unique artist on a guitar, and I mean artist. Loved the bit where he was described as 'The Picasso of guitar players' but said 'Oh! i thought I was more Jackson Pollock'. Like anybody who pushes the envelope there's a lot of his stuff that misses the mark, but when he hits it there's nothing that comes close. I find it incredible that he's been out there on his own for so long and still relishes it and has the energy and imagination to keep on producing highly original music that nobody else can copy or emulate. The respect from his peers says it all really. Guitars and V8 engines have been 2 of my passions for decades too. Maybe that's why Jeff Beck is so special to me.