[quote name='silddx' post='910216' date='Jul 30 2010, 01:07 PM']I know exactly what you mean "Oh, you mean like a bass guitar?"
However, I meant this thread to be about how you consider [b]yourself[/b]. I should have said something like "are you a mechanic or a composer?" but folks would take that ill [/quote]
[quote name='silddx' post='910421' date='Jul 30 2010, 04:49 PM'] It was reading his interview that prompted the post really, but it is something I've thought about for a long time and I have my own thoughts about it.
I know plenty of "people who play instruments" to a high technical level but who are primarily songwriters/composers, often they are multi instrumentalists. I also know "people who play instruments" to a high technical level but who can't compose or write songs, or even improvise much. They need to be told what to play and they play it beautifully.
To my mind these are two completely different types of people. Zappa's ex band members, some of them are very good at composition and make a living at it, some are pretty poor going by what I've heard.
I really believe it's important to make the distinction, especially if you are auditioning band members. It is probably easier to have people who don't have compositional ambitions in your band if you are a control freak and QC all your music yourself. Sometimes you may want band members who can contribute compositionally or improvisationally.
I have to be a mechanic in one of my bands, but that's fine because I can still control the dynamics and the tone choices and that's very important.
The other band allows me to compose my lines and luckily they go down very well. I am very sensitive to the needs of the song, the singer and the writer. I think I have good compositional skills for pop music and I write pop rock songs and lyrics. I'd be crap at jazz or classical or R&B, Hip Hop, blah blah, though, so there is another distinction one can make.
My OP was very poorly worded wasn't it [/quote]
If, by your definition, you need to be a composer to be musician, then I'd have to disagree. No-one would call most orchestral players anything other than musicians, but a great many of them are probably not composers. Indeed, my personal experience with some orchestral or formally trained brass musicians is that they can do little but read and play what is put in front of them, no improvising ability whatsoever, and you have seen this too. My view of me is that I am a musician who plays electric bass. I play no other instruments, and am not formally trained. I could read a chart, given enough time. I would consider myself a better musician as my skillset improved, certainly, but just because I'm a pub band bass player does not disqualify me from being a musician. I've been off for surgery lately, and my band has had to use a dep. He's perfectly serviceable as a replacement, but the band sounds completely different. Therefore, we each add something different to the band. But we don't happen to formally compose that difference.
Neither does doing it for a living, or not, make any difference.
Or, to put it another way, it's of no importance, in the greater scheme of things, to make the distinction.
You play, you're a musician, period. But there's always, as I said above, room to be a [b][i]better[/i][/b] musician.
My only personal pedantry is that I do not use he term "bass guitar". That has 6 strings tuned EADGBE...