WalMan

Must remember to get my plugs out of the gig bag Saturday night after the gig.......and not fall asleep for my change @ Clapham Junction Sunday morning!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1330441667' post='1557517'] If you get the foundation right then it becomes easier to lay the textures on top. Guitar can lose a lot of low end assumingthe rest of the band are supllying it (ie bass, keys) and in the context of the mix not sound remotely weak. [/quote] I seem to recall #2 son saying that when he was doing a sound production course the tutors had suggested a High Pass on guitars set at up to 1k would not leave them weedy, but give the space for everything to fit in, and IIRC when I tried that with some multitrack it did seem to be the case [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1330442348' post='1557531'] Thing is you cant cut through a hole that isnt there. If there is no hole you wont cut through it, you will compete in that area and thats when things become messy, which defeats the object.... [/quote]...which was really where my "Cutting through the mix" rant started, and as above what I really meant by that is what Beedster is referring to as "sitting in the mix". I just want my bit of the sonic spectrum to use and not have to EQ with effectively a sad face to stop mix mush

Just back from the lunchtime wander and had to chuckle when I picked up Bass Player mag and was flicking through while waiting for a till to be free, to seethe final article in the mag was The Grooveyard reprinting an article from 1993 called .........."[b]Defend Your Sonic Space[/b]" That was actually more bemoaning live sound engineers for goiung for a monster kick sound at the expense of bass.

[quote name='Dave Tipping' timestamp='1330385682' post='1556783'] My definition of cutting through would be.. being heard in the mix. i.e. not muddy and lost. It does ultimately boil down to the sound you are trying to create or replicate though. [/quote]This, or at least it was what I was getting at

Chris "Cutting through" in the context of what I was really getting at is actually a misnomer. I don't do solo's What I really meant/want is MY fundamental bit of the frequency range not cluttered with loads of guitar bottom end that ultimately means I feel the bass often gets completely lost in the mix whereas if a certain person cut his full on bass boost and pushed his mids a bit more I think we would all end up with our defined bands and a better overall mix. (I'm starting to sound like a harping old moaning Minnie aren't I ) For the sort of classic rock we do in the band in question I tend to feel that the rythmn section needs to drive things along and the guitars can flash along over the top of that all they like, but if the bass is getting swamped out by guitar mush and lost in the mix the energy of the song gets lost

[quote name='leftyhook' timestamp='1330380165' post='1556648'] are those shirts decent quality? that is a serious q by the way [/quote]Yup they seem to be pretty well put together from fairly decent shirts in the first place all the stitching & seams are good on mine - only had them a month or so and subjected them to aq couple of gigs so far, but I luv'em. They are speading like wildffire down here, in fact I suspect we may have a Sh1teoff at our next gig to celebrate a Sh1te band

Used to be black shirt & jeans, but I have recently become a convert to the [url="http://sh*teshirts.com/pictures"]sh*teShirt[/url] so now its one of those, jeans & my trusty Converse

....and now A.C.T - Today's Report SE from which [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNTPHRpcYaE[/media] to be followed shortly by [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAKeRKGmRCA[/media] Another really good Swedish prog band that's gone missing presumed split since posting a couple of YT vids of the "Making of album #5" that never saw the light of day sadly. Saw them at Mr Kyps in Poole on a cold Sunday night a few years back with no more than 50 punters in, which was a great shame.

The Flower Kings - Alive on Planet Earth. Just had to replay "In The Eyes Of The World" as it has a couple of "shivers" moments. A bit long, but I would reeeeeeally like my prog lot to cover it

[quote name='gicut58' timestamp='1330359124' post='1556177'] I'll be there on sunday. Am gigging sat night so if you see someone wandering aimlessly around who looks more than half asleep then that'll be me [/quote]It could just as easily be me...for exactly the same reason Mind as that is my normal look, if you knew me you would never know

[quote name='david_l_perry' timestamp='1330349411' post='1555963'] Hope you guys and gals don't forget to come and say Hi to us on the stands.... Myself (EAD) Alan (ACG) and John East (East electronics) are all on the same stand..... Come for a chat ! [/quote]Ah ha! Will be interested to see your 1x12

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1330335532' post='1555698']The other thing is i tried out my Gramma board for first time and whow - what a difference. No boom and drummer loved it. Maybe that's the reason my bottom end dropped a bit. I wasn't hearing the original bottom end boom which i was mistaking for low bass. Sad to admit that i never raelised it but cest la vie. I'm enjoying this thread - for someone with many yrs experience its still a learning curve and any advice is always welcome from fellow bassists who have also experienced similar issues. Dave [/quote]Yup first time I used the Gramma pad I actually ended up taking the rig off it in the break as the bass appeared to have disappeared - that was on a high boxy booming stage mind. I am now used to it and it certainly helps. Life is one big learning curve isn't it!! Must try some of Simon's suggestions - if I can get it through!!

[quote name='seashell' timestamp='1330340690' post='1555804'] I'm going both days [/quote]Good LORD!! There's enthusiasm for you!! Might bump into you then though I shall probably not be the one in the hat

White Punks @ The Fountain last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlJeQ4pAL8g Not a well known song to many (unless they know The Tubes or have seen us in recent years) Didn't notice that I had set the video so that it missed me - though probably just as well. Funniest, and best part for so many reasons was that the bloke who had been dancing to a set of mixed fairly well known stuff interspersed with less known covers had said to the vocalist just before we got to this one "Can you play something we [i](for which of course read I)[/i] know". Steve introduced it with something like "Sorry but this isn't really going to help as you're a bit young" and then the crowd really went for it shouting out "White Punks" and going ape at the end.....which was particularly pleasing in the circs

[quote name='LemonCello' timestamp='1330258916' post='1554669'] Anyone else played on a postage stamp? [/quote]Nearly always The honourable exception being General Henry's in Littlehampton (a bit far for you probably ) that is turning into a nice gig with a decent stage (including drum riser) with house PA & lights. Edit: Oh yes and a dressing room (of sorts) - well its a room you can change in that isn't the toilets or pub kitchen, and from which you can walk straight onstage

[quote name='blackmn90' timestamp='1330261614' post='1554737'] holy crap its next week! where does the time go..... also does anyone know when it finishes? time wise [/quote]The site says 18:00 Booked my show ticket last week and just sorted the train ticket this morning. Who's going on Sunday?

[quote name='pietruszka' timestamp='1330258236' post='1554646'] IME, that will be because the bass was rolled off. Iv said it before in this thread, the bass end of things should belong to the BASS PLAYER, not the guitarist, tell them to roll the bass right off and you roll yours back on. The overall sound will be full, weighty, punchy and everyone should be closer to where they should be. [/quote]You're not wrong, and preaching to the converted there. I don't really have a "home" setting. For noodling/practising at home I either use the baby Orange practie combo, or headphones. It seems pointless to mess with setting at home in isolation. Friday nights settings in the twin lead moments were (again IMO) exactly where they all needed to be mix, level & sound wise. The guitars were solid and the bass had a good full girth sound. It was in the other times when the bass from everything just became a swampy mess. Perhaps if I could get him to EQ the Clean channel for chords with the bass rolled right back on that at least (and to actually use that channel particularly in the second set) we would be getting somewhere.

The prog rig, though not on the amp front (those are the r/h studios), and apologies for my gurning mug Roland basspedals > Roland A300 keys > DSI Mopho Wal > EBS Microbass II > TC Electronics Nova Dynamics > Boss TU2 > EBS Octabass > EBS Chorus

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1330199307' post='1554146'] In most bands I've played in over the years, every musician is too keen to point out the perceived inadequacies of everyone else's sound instead of looking at their own. It's always someone else's problem. As long as this view persists there will be issues. Part of the problem is where we spend most of our time playing and practising. For most of us in amateur or semi-pro bands this will be in our own houses. We set up a tone that sounds pleasing in that particular environment and then stick with that tone when we move into the full band scenario. It almost always doesn't work. It's a shame that ego also gets in the way. Guitarists and singers are, of course, particularly prone to this. They know everything and we know nothing. It seems to be the way of the world... [/quote]Yup. Perhaps it's me. "Remove the mote from your eye" etc etc [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1330248425' post='1554447'] Bass tone is so bloomin tempremental. [/quote]Ain't that the truth!! So last night I stuck to plan bass & treble rolled back, 600hx mids boosted. inputs rolled back, master a micrometre from completely off, and spent most of the night managing not to dig in. IMO the bass sounded cr@p and barely audible to me, but everyone else was happy with their nice full fat sounds and the rowd were enjoying themselves....so that's OK Still I haven't listened back to the recording so perhaps that'll prove it's me all along............................meanwhile over in the Depression thread Anyone want my rig? 'cos I think I might as well save some money and swap it for the cheapest, cr@piest one available. The Wal into the pedalboard with the Microbass II run into the effects return (the only input I can get to work) in the rubbish Trace combo in the studio at the prog r/h in the morning sounded great. Think I'l take the Orange 15 to r/h on Wednesday MrsW said "are you happier tonight, Max said you weren't last night" before we started last night, so it was noticed but probably just put down to my hormones

End of two nights, and it was hard work as it ran to[list] [*]two one hour(ish) sets with the classic rock band - and some moaning on my part re fighting to be heard in the melee (see elsewhere) home and in bed around 1 am; folloed by [*]back up at 8 am to get to a four hour rehearsal with the prog band [*]haircut, end of the England game, iron the Sh1teShirt and back out to last nights (Saturday) gig [*]which with encores ran to over three hours. [/list] Cramped up in the second set last night. Drank 4 x 500ml orange isotonic type drinks during the main sets and around 6 or 7 pints of coke, three just in the encores rying to rehydrate & stop cramping in my fretting hand. Tonight the GB STM 6 was just barely on and eq'd Bass rolled off to around 9 o'clock, treble backed off to 11 o'clock, and mids set @ 600Hz and at around 2-3 o'clock just to try to punch through. Others (guitars & drums), and sound guy, happy enough, but as far as I was concerned most of the time the bass was only barely there for me and (I trust) was coming through better FOH in the PA. Audience probably cared less and were all enjoying themselves and joining in, but for me I am having to compromise to a middly, and frankly fizzy & sh1te sound (IMO) to accommodate for others who will not GIT OOOORF MOI FREQUENZEEES . I just don't feel that the bass is giving the rythm section drive that the songs need. Still perhaps I just a deaf old fecker who needs to invest in an 8 ohm cab the will lower the amps nominal output and allow me to get past master a micrometre past completely off. Ah well lets see me proved wrong when I listen to the recordings. Still the gigs went really well - other than my bas centred gripes. I shall, however, be p155ing like a horse most of the night bearing in mind my fluid ontake during the evening, despite being a regular sweaty betty

[quote name='Doctor J' timestamp='1330180588' post='1553801'] That's classic rock tone? It's the tone of someone not used to playing with other people. [/quote] It's the tone of a guitarist I've been plaing with for nearly 30 years . 'tother guitarist has much easier settings [quote name='jakenewmanbass' timestamp='1330180734' post='1553804'] In the sound check jump on your tractor with straw in corner of mouth, drive across the stage and point the shotgun in the guitarists face, and in your best Chippenham drawl bellow... GET ORFF MOI FREQWANSEE.... If he refuses, shoot him in the face and hang him at the back of the stage as a warning to the other guitarist [/quote]Tried GITORFMOILAAAAAND last night to no avail Otherwise, thanks for the comments and you're largely preaching to the converted. I have been playing with this drummer for pretty much all my playing life, and the rest of the band nearly as long. All good mates, which makes life much easier, but I have been getting a bit p'ed recently with getting the blame for things I am not entirely convinced are me (for example the wolf notes the other guitarist was getting in the second set that I think are not actually me, but guitarist #1). Trouble is we're all getting longer in the tooth & deafer Oh, and I have a gramma. which has tightened stuff up Last nights gig is an odd one as it is one of those poxy pub gigs in what is in effect a converted Victorian/Edwardian house where we are i one room, there is an arch through to what was probably the large entrance hall originally, then another set of arches to the bar. As before tonights task is to hit the 600 mids roll of bass & top along with the master, and come what may NOT dig in when I have difficulty hearing myself and NOT touch anything ESPECIALLY the master. I may even photograph my settings at the start and end of the night as proof (to myself if noone else)