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Just contemplating running two 12"cabs with separate amps, keeping one clean Bass straight in then DI ing out of first amp into my pedal board then back into amp two second cab. Both amps have a level control on the DI out. Will this be too hot for my pedals and second amp input? Or would you just 'Y' the two with a splitter cable from the pedal board. Suggestions gratefully received.

[quote name='machinehead' post='1077236' date='Jan 4 2011, 12:59 PM']This would only be correct at low volumes. At higher volumes your speaker with less "travel" will fart and distort. And the speaker with more "travel" will be clearer and louder. Frank.[/quote] Yep I can go with that, I've been there, which is why I am saying, if you are making a purchase choice don't put yourself in the position of buying a single small speaker cab not rated to do a standalone job. It will break up and sound sh*t, when you add a guitar, keyboard, Drummer and PA and vocal monitors coming back at you in a live situation. Can any one of you imagine playing a gig in your own band and not having a PA and asking the singer to sing through one 10" or single 12" combo placed beside the drummer, would anyone risk it, mmmm. The vocal frequencies are easier to amplify than bass frequencies.

The words around the Bass Player article does basically state that of the Barefaced Cab article Machinehead posted, which is there are an awful lot of factors to take into consideration, Cab design porting etc. But one constant we can all recognise is cone surface area. Because a particular make of speaker cone can travel 5mm further than another makes no difference musically. Any one note played in any song will have a pitch which will determine the vibration frequency and our volume settings and how we attack that note will determine how far the cone will move on my rig or any other bass rig. I don't think anyone should consider that cone extension is used as a sales plus musically. It is nice to know that maybe a short on your jack socket will not destroy your speaker before you can turn it off. What this point highlights is that, is it not better to have four speakers moving a quarter of the amount than that of a cab with one speaker cone in it. I think all manufacturers should be made to choose a colour for their cones, then our women can choose which cabs we buy and would not be limited to just Blue or yellow

Marvin, sounds like you have done the right thing with your Fender. It is a mine field and we all get caught up in the manufacturers Hype. Like I said I have learned the hard way too, but also learned through owning the PA. The same physics apply there, and it was reading up on acoustics and speaker efficiencies that helped me understand my bass rigs better. There is loads of stuff on the web, but here are a few pointers. A really good book by Glenn Letsch (Stuff good bass players should know) by HAL LEONARD. Full of good gear tips and music technique. Bass Player Mag did run a comparison on speaker cone equivalents which was interesting, with reference surface area and moving air. I'll try and dig it out and edit it in here. Found it Jan 03 1x8" = 35 square inches 1x10 = 55 " " 2x8" = 70 " " 1x12"= 80 " " 2x10" = 110 " " 1x15" = 130 " " 4x8" = 140 " " 2x12" = 160 " " 3x10" = 165 " " 1x18" = 185 " " 4x10" = 220 " " 2x15" = 260 " " 4x12" = 320 " " 6x10" = 330 " " 2x18" = 370 " " 8x10 = 440 " " Also read that stacking cabs lowers the frequency of the bottom cab by about 10 Hz. i.e. (4x10 over 1x15) will try and check the source of that but sure it came from a Peavey Monitor Mag, The Grateful Dead used huge column speakers that are legendary this approach has been neglected more recently due to size, but my first band used the old WEM column cabs just like the Beatles did and most British bands well into the 70's The sort of things you need to take on board is the Watts bass players need to be comparable with a guitarist, and it’s 4 to 6 times, because bass frequencies are watt hungry. The human ear does not hear linearly. which is why we and most high- fi buffs love the old graphic EQ smiley face shape, because we are compensating for how we hear which is the opposite shape, with a peak around 1K. Also be aware of manufacturers efficiency figures as the industry standard way is measured using a 1khz tone at 1 dB at 1 metre so horns and bullet tweeters skew this somewhat. Buying high efficient cabs is a good guide but tone and a proper trial is needed. Take the Acme 1B cab for e.g. very in-efficient needs a ton of watts to power it buts sounds great. Good luck

A Big thanks to Adam, for being there with a cup of tea as promised when i dropped my Bass off. Cash was waiting honest and very trusting. This was my first sale on this site and hope all future encounters are as good as with Adleman. Many thanks Deepbass5

My Findings I did fancy these basses, but having trialed one, found it to have a slight head dive. I didn't like the neck profile which seemed to be triangular, a ridge to the centre rather than a C or D profile was more < not horrible but slightly strange. The build quality and sound were great and I genuinely wanted to love the bass but felt it was not for me. The head drop was the one thing that put me off more than the profile. I eventually found the Schack which is rare in UK but it is very much a cross between the Pedulla and a Warwick. check it out www.schack-guitars.de

Headroom and cone surface area rules OK!!!! With power comes responsibility, and it's our job to let the Guitarists know sometimes that we can hold the line when things get dirty.

Warning against single small speaker cabs that are fashionable. I have gigged in Function bands for thirty years now, and shelled out lots of money on rigs that fitted my wallet or my car. There are loads of good rigs second hand on this site and good advice to help you make the right choice that will allow you to grow with your band as venues get bigger. I made a mistake once buying my second combo. A new Ampeg B1 combo. These were great 150 watt single removable rack with a three valve preamp. Built into a nice single 12" cab. It sounded incredible in the shop, at home, at practice and on quiet gigs, but get in a civic hall or an even a pub with 100 people stood in front of you, I was embarrassed that I had nothing left to give. I even bought a Peavey 15"+2x8" cab so I could use the amp at larger venues. Eventually it had to go, I was sad because it was a lovely amp but did not suit my gigging environment. I would advocate a 2x10 or 2x12" minimum for rocky pub or Indie type bands and any of the new lightweight amps 300 - 500 watts. you may not need more that 200w but headroom is a wonderful thing. Check out my rig below, I don’t need a 4x12 cab or the 500 watts of my Markbass amp it’s there for those unexpected venues and when I get Marquee gigs. This is my main rig for weddings and dinner dances my amp is usually on 2 or 3 at 9 o'clock. My EA rig is for Jazz and big band work I intend to get another 12" cab so I can confidently take two on a functions band gig due to my past experience. Good luck hunting down a rig there have been a couple of 2x12 Techamps for sale these are awesome.

I have had a CEB-3 for years and it's just fine, so can recommend that. As you only really need effects on your top end (harmonics) the CEB-3 you can adjust how much of your lower end you expose to it. Works for me. Use it more than my flanger

I meant to add, why not borrow one for a few gigs and see, If you can get away without it great. I also have an Aphex Bass xciter, which is amazing, it gives your bass sound a kick in the ass and some top end zing without the suffocation of your signal you can get by using a Compressor wrongly. Borrow one from your guitarist they don't need them.

I have had similar feelings about compressors, never used one for 20 years, although have had them built into a couple of amps I’ve owned but never really got to grips with those just set them to watch over the amp. I bought an EBS dual band comp about three years ago, because I thought I should and that it would help me get a better slap funk sound as that when you need to sort the different dynamics out between a thumb and a pluck. I now use it as part of my pedal board most of the time. Plus side It evens out your dynamics so you sound more consistent and professional, set right your sound could change from a ping to a dummbb like a well miked bass drum. It will help deliver a good signal level into the other pedals so they perform better Negative side If you are constantly adjusting your bass volume you could end up messing your evening up. It is another gain process to worry about - Bass, Compressor, amp preamp, master volume. You may sense you are running out of steam adjusting the bass and you’re not getting louder. It can affect the way you attack the song, the ability to dig in and add some attitude. Sound checks are more important at gig volumes, and with other effects that you will be using. Some pedals may need to go in front of the Compressor. Different basses will need a different setting.

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[quote name='Bigwan' post='1048613' date='Dec 5 2010, 07:29 PM']I have the older (Tech Soundsystems) version of this cab. They sound awesome, if a little overkill![/quote] Hi There in Ireland. Great cab aren't they. I love the tone and spread when just ticking over, I rarely get above 3 on my LMK amp. But when you need it it's there. I must to get over and see your lovely country

Fantastic wow i just made a funny Great drawings I hope Sheldon, is gunna fly you over to supervise the project, you'd better dig up Mr Entwistle and take him withyou. He won't rest.

A 'P' Bass Fanned Fret !!! It would have to be a reverse P pickup to sound right, has a certain Bearded Gentleman been pushing for a distressed Salmon pink double reverse P Bass per-chance

Well Sheldon, you sure know how to stop a thread dead in its tracks. On behalf of all that admire your work a Very Merry Christmas.

With only 200 watts into 4 ohms you are gunna want allot of grunt out of the speaker which means as high efficiency cab as you can find for your money (SPL quoted at 1 metre) I would not go for the Peavey 2x10 as they are not very efficient at turning your watts into sound. Just remember for every 3dB increase in level requires a doubling of your amps power. So the difference in buying a cab with a rating of say 96dB @ 1M to one at 99dB would be half as loud again. Half as loud as it takes about 6 dB to appear twice as loud to the human ear. That’s just part of the storey then there is cone surface area. Hence lots of 4x10's out there. I've kicked this around for years we all have to compromise to suit our pocket and our Motors. You said Rock Band to me that means multi speaker cab. So to be portable that means more than one cab (two small cabs) or go for a good second hand 2x10 or 2 x12. High efficiency. Less eff cabs can sound good cranked up but you need an amp to match their wattage rating. Running your amp flat out into a 400 watt cab will blow the speaker quicker than pushing it hard with a 500 watt amp. Bass is Fun but the science gets us in the end

I Think Lefay range are really nice but the price isn't as good looking Here is one they are showing in stock I would like to get my hands on, A fan fret Herr Schwarz 5 which is a contradiction as this one is in Ash not black What dya think.