toneknob

Yep, agree - you should refer to the actual pitches you're playing rather than what chord it looks like.

...And here's a link to some live recordings: https://velcropelmet.com/music (careful, it autoplays)

Tony Levin (plus some other blokes) through the ages http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYqJxlSv-Y (curious fashion choices within as well)

[quote name='wambamalubop' timestamp='1488391718' post='3248588'] Lee Sklar's bassline on Stratus Deceptively simple but locking into that groove defeats me and might until for ever... You can scroll to 2:52 if drum solos are not your thing, though these are some of the most interesting and creative ones to my thinking. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aw2rM0w-pc"]https://www.youtube....h?v=5aw2rM0w-pc[/url] He seems like a lovely human being in this interview. [url="http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2013/03/07/stories-behind-the-songs-leland-sklar/"]http://www.notreble....s-leland-sklar/[/url] "[color=#000000][font=open-sans, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]As I recall, Billy was originally going to do it with Stanley Clarke...[/font][/color] [/quote] Thanks for the story, very interesting! My band does this song, but I try to get them to do it more like this version by Stanley Clarke & Friends. I guess it's a bit like Rhythm Stick, Hysteria - once you can do it, it's fine. I have no trouble with keeping up with the tempo (we inevitably do it fast) but it's always a welcome break to get to the outro. Having said that I suck at Rhythm Stick and Hysteria. [color=#808080][font=arial, sans-serif][size=1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzJ_oPESMZE [size=3] [/size][/size][/font][/color]

[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1488114451' post='3245910'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLrpG0DCqI[/media] [/quote] Hah. That brings to mind our singer's flute performance. Oh - where do I get a remote bubble blower?

The Cinema Show by Genesis. Start with solo acoustic 12-string guitar, tuned dDgGaDeGbbee (ie non-unison pairs on the middle two pairs, E and E pairs down a full step). Add bass pedals after a couple of minutes. Frantic triplet picking in the middle bit. Fade out, unplug, switch to double-neck Shergold. Instrumental in 7/8, switch to bass (finally) for the last few seconds.

Facebook event page at [url="https://www.facebook.com/events/174552683044024/"]https://www.facebook...74552683044024/[/url] btw.

[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Hi jazz fans[/font] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My band Velcro Pelmet ([/font][url="https://www.facebook.com/VelcroPelmet"]https://www.facebook.com/VelcroPelmet[/url][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]) are back in action on Wednesday March 8th at Off The Cuff in Herne Hill. It's a really cool venue, built into the arches of the above train line (so there are fewer neighbours to annoy I suppose). We play a mix of jazz fusion originals and reinterpreted versions of material originally by the likes of Miles Davis, Weather Report, Mike Stern, Herbie Hancock, Billy Cobham, the Jaco Pastorius big band, Pat Metheny and others - plus a few of our own. We'll be bringing some new material along for this gig.[/font] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]More details as and when but we'll be doing two sets, on stage at 9pm. [/font] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tony[/font]

[quote name='scrumpymike' timestamp='1487270775' post='3238562'] Stop Making Sense is a classic. I remember seeing it at our local 'art-house' cinema (the Phoenix in Finchley Central) just after it was released and within 20 minutes everybody was up bopping in the aisles. Re the lovely Tina, I'd say she was just a bit highly strung - or maybe just high. [/quote] An American friend was round and leafing through my record collection, pulling out the occasional oddity or something he considered curious. I tried to be cool and say "yeah this was the first record I ever bought" re Stop Making Sense. "Oh, Talking Heads? yeah, nice. I was at the gig where they recorded that show"

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487284230' post='3238724'] Think there's a few guys on here that might be into Genesis in a big way. Think maybe you and Toneknob fit that bill. I'm just a fan of a certain period around Seconds Out to Duke era. Claim to fame Mr Collins bought me lunch one day. [/quote] I had a lunch with Steve Hackett once! It's one o'clock, etc. I was a huge fan, not so much now - just a massive anorak. Much prefer Steve Hackett's and Peter Gabriel's respective solo material these days.

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487242166' post='3238264'] Mike wasn't using a Shergold 8 at that time. He used a Hagstrom at that point but think Shergold were looking at building him a proper 8 string rather than like mine which has a shorter scale length. I guess he had more influence than me and i'm not sure wh that is. Think he used 8 on Firth on Seconds out and pretty sure on one of the tracks from Then There Were Three. Before that i couldn't be sure without going over the old albums again. [/quote] Firth of Fifth is a bass/12-string song for Mike in concert, pretty sure he didn't change guitars during the song. (We're scraping the surface of why I'm no longer in tribute bands now, by the way)

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487242166' post='3238264'] Mike wasn't using a Shergold 8 at that time. He used a Hagstrom at that point but think Shergold were looking at building him a proper 8 string rather than like mine which has a shorter scale length. I guess he had more influence than me and i'm not sure wh that is. Think he used 8 on Firth on Seconds out and pretty sure on one of the tracks from Then There Were Three. Before that i couldn't be sure without going over the old albums again. Assuming you still have yours ? Would love another one altho not a twin neck unless i could locate my old one which i did try a few yrs back but it could be anywhere nowadays. Dave [/quote] Still got the 12/4; traded in the 4/8, full story here: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/254282-more-love-for-wunjo-and-basschat/ - the Shergold appeared in the window at Wunjo and appeared on eBay not long after

[quote name='radiophonic' timestamp='1487240553' post='3238246'] That's so Prog. And I mean it in a good way. I'd love a Shergold 12 string. I have a Baldwin, so same lineage, but it's too fragile to gig regularly) [/quote] I used to be in Genesis tribute bands - also just out of shot, Moog Taurus bass pedals, an acoustic 12-string and a Ricky 4001. I've kept the Shergold 12/4 as it's such a good 12-string guitar.

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487236251' post='3238190'] Afraid not. Not sure if the photos have a date as they were taken as soon as i got it. Checked and photos aren't dated but looking at reference points from other pics i have and when i started playing i think this might be 78. It was my 2nd bass after a Columbas Jazz. I started playing in 76 and would have had the Columbas about 2yrs before buying the Shergold. Latest would be late 78 / early 79. It was so long ago and a bit heavy for me. Traded it for an Aria SB1000. Cost me £630. That bit i can remember LOL I remember the conversations with Shergold (not sure who i was talking to) and they said they didn't make 8 strings altho they were looking at the possibilty. At that time Mike Rutherford was a big part of it and he played an 8 string bass and i think they wanted Mike to use one they had designed along with the twin neck he had. They suggested to me that they didn't have their systems set up for one as they didn't make full custom basses but could adapt their existing 6 string neck if that would be ok to me. Being young and naive i went with it. It was a great bass to play. The necks were fantastic and they had that distinct Shergold sound. Dave [/quote] Interesting story Dave, thanks for sharing. My 4/8 double neck had a great 4-string neck, exactly what you'd expect from Shergold. The 8-string was a bit difficult though. The serial number was 8401, following their convention for the first two numbers being the number of strings per neck. The -01 doesn't necessarily mean it was the first one, as your story supports, but it's a curious theory. As far as I can remember Mike Rutherford is credited with using an 8-string on Wind & Wuthering and Seconds Out, but the songs it's used in aren't mentioned. The only overlap between those two albums is Afterglow, which doesn't sound like an 8 to me. Happy to be proved wrong though!

[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1487230295' post='3238129'] Let's have a look then �� [/quote] ...mister benn quick change special effect...

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487196053' post='3238040'] Yep i had the first 8 string they did. Because they hadn't made one before they suggested adapting the 6 string they had and here it as my twin neck 4 & 8 from circa 1978 -1980 if memory serves me right. Might have been a bit earlier. [attachment=238279:old photos_0004_NEW (2).jpg] Dave [/quote] Any idea what the serial number was on that one Dave?

Hah, fair enough! Wonder my Shazam on my phone didn't clock them? Listened to the album on Spotify today, some of it fantastic, some of it a bit too "souly soul" for me. 10+ minute of Cantaloupe Island towards the end, mind you...

Those aren't Shergolds. This however (Custom Double bass/12-string just out of shot)

[quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1487059537' post='3236551'] There was another version they recorded that didn't have the intro. I think the one in the mixtape was an alternate take. It's a cracking bass intro. Glad the alternate version is available out there. [/quote] Thanks for your help - I'd not heard of the band before. Any other tips? I can see The Music City Sessions on Spotify which I'll check out later.

[left][quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1487018391' post='3236321'] I think i'll have google Translate arrested [/quote] This "J'étais là, immobile et glacé" means "there I was sitting eating and ice cream". Ice cream is mentioned in "The Facts of Life" from Naked. So, Talking Heads were a massive influence on JP Sartre.[/left]

[quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1486991660' post='3236047'] I'm wondering if the bit before the guitar is a different song though. [/quote] Which is clearly wrong now I've listened to the clip you posted

[quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1486991040' post='3236040'] Shazam suggests that it is Confusion - The Two Things In One once the guitar kicks in... [/quote] My Shazam didn't like it. Thanks - I'll investigate further. I'm wondering if the bit before the guitar is a different song though.

Any idea who the player and artist is at the 5m10s mark in this mixtape please? I like. https://www.mixcloud.com/harold-heath2/harold-heath-mild-peril-volume-1/ Ta!

Stop Making Sense was the first record I bought with my own pocket money, and I have a massive soft spot for TW still - she was a huge influence for the pre-bassist me for tone, simplicity, timing. I wish I could write a line as perfectly simple as Once In A Lifetime (she probably didn't, but you know).

[quote name='MoonBassAlpha' timestamp='1486674535' post='3233806'] Thanks chaps. I confess I had never heard of a bitcrusher before this either. Starting to feel a bit out of touch! [/quote] I've got three. Sounds brilliant. Practical use = nil