stingrayPete1977

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1476999783' post='3159238'] I think if the RCF are full range an you're not carrying extra subs then that is an ideal solution. Our guitarist has a 2x12" and I have 2 2x10". Guitar gets miked up. But our tops are only 10". We did have some Makie 15" but they got too much weight for the guitarist to lug around just for vocals. I'm not sure we need to mic up the kit, although with a digital desk with decent onboard processors and someone who knows how to use them, I can see that being a good idea. BUT that's a lot of money to outlay for playing in pubs. I suppose it really depends on what you're expecting to present to the audience. [/quote] All of what you just said is exactly it, like most bands we don't just do tiny pubs so the outlay isn't just for tiny pubs, once you've got it you might as well use it even in a tiny pub. The point I am trying to make is that we aren't lugging anything just for a pub, it's more compact than a slightly smaller PA and a pair of big amps as back line, the back line is essentially our monitoring regardless of the size of the venue, if we had in ears for the wedding gigs we'd use them in the pub to save even more room and retain the same FOH sound we'd be providing for a decent paying function gig.

I'm sure I've read a similar quote regarding the British motorcycle industry

If you do take it off I'd suggest putting masking tape around the feet on the bass top so you know where it goes back on after,some people actually neatly mark them with a sharp pencil line that's barely visible with the bridge back on.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1476990441' post='3159100'] so we've got less kit than a band with a vocal pa,guitar amp and bass amp big enough to use as the FOH. [/quote] [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1476994011' post='3159140'] How do you monitor the bass and guitar? [/quote] What I'm saying is even with our small amps for monitoring and our PA we have less bulky kit than the typical pa tops, 4x10 bass and 4x12 guitar setup. In my old band we have gigged with a single LD Maui pa tower, roland V drums, variax guitar and an electric upright bass, near silence on stage!

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1476994011' post='3159140'] How do you monitor the bass and guitar? [/quote] I've got a selection of bass cabs 1x10, 1x12, 2x12 (big NeoxT one like a small 4x10), and a selection of amps 300,600 and 900 watt class D. Guitarist has a similar selection of guitar amps and extension cabs but we could run the guitar through the db opera monitors (we do have a tad anyway) and the bass with the bottom took out would work fine in the monitors too unless everyone is going to contradict themselves that the bass from the FOH won't fill the room and send a bit back my way? In reality I'd always take 1x12 as a minimum with that band. Most upright players have embraced small monitoring amps on stage or a quality wedge if it's a known pa yet the massive bass rig is still king in the tickled trout with the electric bass players, I'm sure we all know a band that would sound better if you took the big amps off them, gave them a small combo each and a nice PA system?

Thats fine if you are a plonka dad, your low end will indeed fill the whole room from the stage area but anyone that likes to get up the dusty end is going to struggle to get those twidly bits heard at the back without a bit in the pa if it's a bigger pub. Part of this depends what people are classing as pubs, the small ones we do easily with small combo amps and the monitors as a vocal pa, just like at a practice. On the other hand we do a few pubs that are certainly big enough to require everything in the pa. I still struggle with the "I can't be bothered to haul the pa just for a small pub, can someone help me in with my Ampeg fridge please?" idea, I see it a lot, those bands are always too loud. The band that followed us on at a festival earlier in the year were the same, must have the 8x10 for "my sound", it was the only thing you could hear over a massive pro EV PA in a marquee, we went for a curry after two songs......

The point is the RCF cabs are the whole PA, we use the same PA for small pubs as we do for a typical wedding venue including a small marquee, the PA is two cabs two small vocal monitors and the mixer, that's it, we don't really need amps at all so we've got less kit than a band with a vocal pa,guitar amp and bass amp big enough to use as the FOH.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1476986352' post='3159057'] The tops are purely for the vocals. [/quote] Ours aren't, RCF 735 or 745 tops can handle the whole mix, bass, kick the lot. I was at a professional theatre watching a band yesterday, the smaller little side venue (150ish people) has the same ones as us hanging from the roof with full pro touring bands going through them, upright bass, full drum kit. I could hear the acoustic guitar strumming from my seat and the band members quiet talking voices yet the room was full of big fat plummy double bass, if he'd put an amp on stage big enough to fill the room including the articulate pieces the guitarists would need louder amps, the vocals louder wedges,then the drummer hits harder, guitarist turns up, bass now needs to come up in the mix, rinse and repeat! This is not to say it can't work, a small vocal PA and reasonable backline with clued up users can work well, if you are in that band then I'd say you were the exception rather than the rule.

[quote name='JoeEvans' timestamp='1476985729' post='3159049'] Does anyone gig with a single one of those 'bass unit and a pole' rigs, like the the Bose L1? They look as though they would work really well for the borderline zone between using a PA and not. [/quote] We do if the pub is REALLY small, I would use a 1x12, guitarist/singer use the 'Log Burner' with a vox amp simulator, anything bigger and we add a pair of RCF 735 cabs and just use the LD Maui as the stage monitor, no monitor wedges required with either setup. I know a pub venue that uses a pair as the monitoring and FOH as the house system that the landlord mixes,badly.

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1476980903' post='3159001'] Tops and subs in a pub? Way over the top. We play at a very reasonable volume, people dont want to be pinned against the wall when having a drink. We dont try to kill each other during rehearsal either, thats why we dont mic up there. I can hear clearly every instrument and the vocal monitor means I can also hear the harmonies. No problem. In small venues big PAs are just an ego thing and an over complication. [/quote] We are playing a golf club no bigger than a large pub on new years eve, we played there months ago, might even have been last year I think, plug in pa and speakers, upload the venue from the mixer memory bank and that's it ready to start the first set, no ego and no complication, and surely turning up to the tickled trout with a Marshall stack and an Ampeg svt with an 8x10 would be more of an ego thing than using small combos even at large festivals etc?

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1476978877' post='3158967'] Sendind everything to the PA provides a better overall sound mix. If the bass rig has to provide enough "heft" for the entire room then certainly it will be too loud on stage and will bother every bandmate (the same applies to the rest of the instruments). I can gig with my Promethean combo if needed, it just needs to be loud enough to cut through the drum set on stage and i allways EQ out the sub-lows from my rig so that it doesn't muddy the stage sound and everybody can hear it as articulate as possible. Let the subs do all the heavy lifting with the sub-80Hz region. "Playing 4 hours in front of a rig turned up to fill the entire room? Madness, i say!" (Sorry Mikel, had to do it ) [/quote] I agree with this 100%

I take my Jazz V to every gig along with a Stingray 5, one of three to choose from totally at random.

It's easy, just try playing one! bass back on the hook, wallet back in the pocket* * similar methods work with Rickenbackers

There was a guy on here a while ago contemplating moving a Genz 600 head on for something bigger as it wasn't cutting the mustard with his 2x10 cab, I pointed out that my genz 300 head with a 2x12 would blow anything away that he puts through that 2x10 as the cab was the limiting factor, I said try it through a pair of 4x10s but he wasn't having it, more watts would have to be louder, I gave up in the end. So what I'm saying is "why was my old 200 watt head and a pair of 4x12s louder than my 1000 watt head and a Barfaced one10?", speakers that's what's watt.

Oooh I like the stand solution, cool.

There's a RHCP song but I can't recall the name of it but the verse contains the same bass note throughout, it fits perfectly with the drums and guitar and I guess that's the most important bit.

You're all wrong! There is only one answer to this, If You Want Me To Stay- sly and the family stone, it's got an element of everything that everyone has suggested so far other than the Geezer Butler stuff.

I think it looks good with either.

I only know one fully pro guy, it's not my place to say who he plays for but the artist is properly famous both sides of the pond, at the same time he'll be out doing Brown eyed girl,beer festival or jam night like the rest of us.

Are you playing off the B string for the low E or stretching up the neck as if it were a four string bass?

Looks great, other than the rosewood board it looks just like my blue pearl/maple ebmm version

The problem I have with passive basses is that they sound crap

In ears!

I use MuseScore, free to download and sounds like something you will enjoy, I was recommended it by someone on here years ago.

2 band Stingray, set the bass to where your ears tell you it sounds nice then use the treble pot as you have the tone pot on a P bass in the past, simple pimple