stingrayPete1977

We just did most of the 2 hour set with no back line or monitors, I think I've found the point where you do need something! Pah, sound guy that didn't know what he was doing

[quote name='Les' timestamp='1472253783' post='3119917'] Watched a band in my local a month or so ago do Leader of the gang but changed the chorus to "D'ya wanna be in Thailand Thailand Thailand." Genius They could just about play ok but couldn't sing a note between them but one the most entertaining and audience engaging bands I've seen for a while. [/quote] I was working at a school last year, they have an after school club run by the local church, I could hear them playing a cd to dance along to, "do you wanna be in god's gang, god's gang, god's gang?", errr no I'm good thanks

When you think how many minis were scrapped due to rear frames it is crazy, you can have a drive in exchage done these days, they build them up before you arrive with brakes and cones etc, turn up and go for breakfast, they take off the exhaust, whip off the frame, clean and underseal, repair patches if needed then put the new one on, bleed the brakes, adjust the handbrake, refit the exhaust and away you go better than new with poly bushes and a good dose of protective paint etc.

[quote name='ChunkyMunky' timestamp='1472290772' post='3120060'] Now that I come to think of it, wouldn't this be just as handy for us bassists for our dynamic control? [/quote] It is one of my many weaknesses that need work but at least electric basses can be turned down on the amp, if the drummer is too loud before the pa is even switched on something is going to give, The OP's nerves in this case

Shame, them vans fetch big money these days!

Can I have the past and future tenses please?

I'm no expert but something sounds a miss to me?, lol. I waiting for other nouns to be 'verbed' , any suggestions?

[quote name='zero9' timestamp='1472234822' post='3119741'] On a similar note: 1. Don't pay the asking price. 2. Don't accept the buyers lower offer [/quote] Those are all in the build up to mine though, if paying more gets you a bass you love then that's ok,if selling your bass cheap gets you into another deal that you really want that's ok too as long as my parts 1&2 are the final result

I can't see how having a choice in anything can be worse or 'suspect'? I can still take the less appealing gigs if I want or let someone else have it, the fact it is coming to me first in that instance to either take or decline tells me that my overall standard of playing and professionalism is up to that level at least. Let's have a look at this from another angle, you play for a living, other people do different jobs for a living,some people actually enjoy their jobs just like you believe it or not, if I turn down a job because I dislike the customer, the parking is terrible and my van will probably get damaged there and I have plenty of other work to do does that make me any less professional in my work that I do carry out? Just like in my musical career I might try and help the customer out by passing it onto someone else that is looking for work, at the same time thankful I've dodged a bullet. Anyway I've got a nice paying gig in a nice venue tonight for a nice customer so I better get going

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1472224753' post='3119633'] Having played at pub and club level for 40 years or so, I would find playing with no backline a bit strange, but certainly not wrong. Wish I had the opportunity (and the roadies). [/quote] A set of in ear monitors are easier to carry than even the smallest combo.

Here's my two part guide to buying and selling. 1-when buying only pay the amount you are happy with. 2-when selling only accept the amount you are happy with.

I resisted a knob gag or Dum chat

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1472225104' post='3119641'] There is no noun that cannot be verbed. [/quote] Musiced,musicing,musicer? Come on then let's hear the verb for musician.

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1472158978' post='3119054'] may i just say i don't think being a trained musician makes you a better (artistically) performer, writer etc than someone who isn't. [/quote] You may

To me even just recording your own album in the basement is performing, once it's being done to entertain someone else be it live or recorded it's a performance and has artistic merit, the worst dross you have ever heard might be a number 1 hit, the fantastic album might never get burnt to a cd. Tricky aint it?

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1472148276' post='3118911'] We don't call my situation living on the breadline over here in the States. There's no shame in being in a bar band or playing bars. I think people have predisposed notions about bar bands. Number 1, a bar band is not the same as a cover band, number 2 we don't only play bars. We get more than our share of the festival and fair business. Playing for a living is not for everyone. Back on topic, volume will always be an issue for those of us in rock bands,cI doubt anyone of us can escape it by quitting and joining another band. If there are guitars your going to have volume issues. Again, not a good reason to quit a band unless there are other issues. Blue [/quote] The bar band has NOTHING to do with it, it is only you mentioning bar bands again, lol,if you were earning ten times as much but had no choice in which gigs to accept because your outgoings were ten times as much too then the weekly situation of living hand to mouth would be the same. I don't want to do gigs with overly loud guitarists, not needing to take every gig, I dont. It is not because I have less passion about playing live it's just because I am lucky to have that option and still be offered enough gigs to keep me busy without doing many free ones, noisy ones, rubbish venues etc, a few slip through of course

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1472155175' post='3119011'] As a qualified musician(are my many music qualifications unquantifiable) and someone who can change a plug. I'd say whether someone enjoys your violin playing or not has no bearing on whether you are a musician or not. [/quote] You are missing my point, you can be a musician either by qualifications or as a recognised performer of music, there are many unqualified musicians who I think most of us would agree are still musicians, an electrician without qualifications is not an electrician even if they are good at it, at best they would be described as 'handy' or something. If you employed an electrician with certain grades and extra certificates for extra associated skills you should get what you pay for, jib rates even try and pin that down whereas a musician is an artist imo, my neighbour loves opera and classical music, I wouldn't enjoy his music collection and he wouldn't enjoy mine, the level of qualifications gained or albums sold have no bearing on the final unquantifiable product do they?

[quote name='Shambo' timestamp='1472151399' post='3118965'] I see lots of straw men in this thread. Doesn't the OP have the right to question what sort of person they are dealing with? Why wouldn't they be allowed to bring attention to the fact they had recently sold said instrument for a lot less than the new owner is asking for it? There's no moral ambiguity I can see in asking the cause of the new higher asking price, but there might be in justifying the new price. Speaking personally, if I noticed that a bass had [i]quickly [/i]returned to the [i]same [/i]marketplace at a [i]higher price[/i], I would be wondering what the new seller could have done to justify the higher asking price. If they'd spent money couriering it, or repairing it, or setting it up, new strings, train fares, flights, overheads, case, whatever, then I'd expect the new seller to mention it and take that into account. It they'd just given it a polish and taken some new photographs, then I'd think carefully whether or not that person would be an acceptable trading partner for me. Even if I really wanted the bass, I suspect I would be inclined not to buy. The new seller has bought nothing to the table. Their good fortune to spot the bargain early and have the cash to snap it up is not a good enough reason to try and leverage a higher price from the next purchaser. IMO, that person is behaving parasitically and wouldn't deserve my money. You might tell me to go live in communist Russia, compare me to a slow runner, win some lose some, deal with it, man up, back down or any other dodgy analogy to justify your greed, and perhaps you'd be right to think I was being too idealistic, but I think of it as not being a bit of a c**t. I don't want to do business like that and I'm happy to admit it. You can accept it as the way of the jungle if you like, especially if you have a vested interest, but I don't think you can seriously expect everyone not to mention that, "hang on, this a rip off". I don't recall anybody mentioning that they where expecting extra payment if they undervalued their bass, or that the forum should be 'mates rates', just that they're hoping not to jump in to a tank full of sharks. And remember folks, if your in the market for a pre-loved instrument without aggressive sales technique and dodgy valuations, come on down to 'Honest Shambo's Used Bass Emporium', just off junction 7, next door to the moral high ground. Where our motto is, "When you're happy, I'm happy!" [/quote] I totally respect your position, no one is being forced to buy or sell anything at any set prices, if you feel it's worth more ask for more, if a buyer feels that is overpriced they will either skip the advert or throw you an offer, if the price is too low and you get loads of offers over night ask yourself why. I have pm'd sellers before suggesting their price is too low, again they are free to investigate my opinion and see if they are losing out or ignor it totally.

[quote name='Dan Dare' timestamp='1472153834' post='3118991'] Stingray Pete's spot on. [/quote] It had to happen one day

Sorry you've lost me then.

[quote name='funkgod' timestamp='1472130277' post='3118744'] i have had this in the past, very annoying, about a 2 years ago i sold my wal 6 string to a guy who said he has always wanted one, dream bass, never get rid, loves it bla bla...... and the big one , " if ever i sell it i will contact you first" so, seems a nice bloke. 3 weeks later or so, i spotted it on ebay and he sold it for nearly 600 more then he paid for it, The Ba$!@£D SO.. now if i sell anything, i sell it for what its worth, market value, no money knocked off, no mates rates, nothing extra, that way everyone is happy [/quote] I can understand a little bass chat money off price and no eBay fees or pay pal fees passed onto the buyer to sweeten the deal but why did you sell it at £600 below the market value or did you not research the values before selling? Either way you can see where the decision to sell at the price falls can't you? Some people honestly think the next bass will be the one.....for a week.

Funny how no one complains if the market drops out the bottom for an item after they've sold it isn't it? Has anyone received some compensation from the seller after buying a used Warwick after they crashed years ago?