stingrayPete1977

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1382886334' post='2257550'] This is all new to me, but wouldn't the drummer have a monitor next to the kit, so that the band can hear the drums from behind them? Please excuse me if that's a daft question! [/quote] Yes but it's just not the same, the jobecky kit and the processor he has are afaik the best electronic kit out there both for sound and looking just like a real kit but they still sound wrong to me, a snare that sounds the same everytime coupled to a kick, hats, snare and cymbals all coming from the same speaker just does not float my boat.

I'm presuming it says minimum 4 ohm load on the panel next to the speaker sockets then, does it have two sockets or does the extension speaker need plugging in to the speakers connection plate?

Sounds fine to me, I presume its about 325 watts at 8 ohm (combo only) and 500 watts at 4 ohm which you will be running at with that 8 ohm 15 inch cab. Don't use a 4 ohm cab as an extension cab though! Can you unplug the built in cab on them?

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1382874991' post='2257376'] It gets easier and sounds much better if you can stick at it and get through this phase. You're not doing yourself any favours if you keep switching between 4's and 5's. IMO it's best to make a clean break with 4's. [/quote] Yep, I gigged my first five the day I bought it, I played terrible but probably fast forwarded my transition by six months.

Like lots of us I used rotosound because that's what you do, just look at the banner that flashes across this site! Terrible strings.

I play with a drummer that uses a Jo Becky kit which looks like a normal kit but you can control the volume for smaller venues, once you factor in the cost of the kit plus the top end processor and a good pa I'm not so keen, as a bass player I don't really enjoy trying to lock in to the sound coming from the foh either.

[quote name='donkelley' timestamp='1382652717' post='2255191'] haha I like what you replaced the ray 4s with ;-) (checking your sig) [/quote]

I'd have a gbe in a shot if i could be Arsed to carry it,i salute you

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1382636015' post='2254846'] My thoughts exactly I must say that EBS_f would be one of my first call people if ever I was buying a new PA setup. I love the way his live rig has been put together. One of the most professional function band rigs out there. Really efficient in terms of number of units and wiring, lights etc. [/quote] Nah he is just a troll : lol:

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1382634909' post='2254815'] The Flea bridges are circa 92 to circa 94. The hex bolt ones are the same with the mutes removed referred to as transitional bridge - circa 93 to 96. All shown with pics on musicman.org. Nice white Sub btw [/quote] Ah cool, thanks

I have always wanted a white ray!

Ah cool i want sure if you could stomach it!

Proper funky bass that is!

Low self esteem, white gb with a white finger board and blue leds? You need to come out of your shell!

The Strings run straight on the flea bridge too don't they? I know the ones with the Allen heads are not actually flea bridges but that's what i see often referred to as one in for sale listings etc.

It's the glue that's not holding on mine, i will super glue it next time the strings are off!

Popup blocker activated! [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1382614076' post='2254355'] Claims are one thing, reality is another. The Bose guys aren't going to say anything but though are they? If you've got the money to invest, a digital desk, some time to learn it (e.g. the processing for compression, gates, reverb and other fx, 31 band eqs on the outputs), and a decent set of front of houses (and monitors if you need) will kill everything. It will also future proof you for many, many years. Outboard will become a thing of the desk given the trend of digital desks at the moment. Seriously. (PS if they above is trolling, I apologise in advance (and I know you have me on block anyways) - but this post is for the benefit of others who may be in a similar situation to the OP) [/quote]

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1382601000' post='2254072'] The mutes are on all basses up to about 94 incl Sterlings. Then the same bridge was used with the mute plate removed for a couple of years. The 20th anni Ray introduced a shorter bridge without the mutes followed through to standard production from then to date. All classic basses have them - Sabre Ray and Strtling. They are so easy to use I have wound them on during sets, and remember this is major flexibility - just using them on the E is great for slap - wind them on a little for a slight muted sound - all the way for real Motown thump but combined with sort of clarity live you expect on a recorded P bass. I've used them for recording and they make things really thumpy. The mute rubbers they used on pre EBs used to fall off - the one on my G fell off on about the third gig I did with it about 1980 - if you look at pics of pino in the early. 80s one of his is missing. Not uncommon to find pre EBs with the whole lot missing these days. Just a little pointer to how manufacturing and materials have improved since the 50s 60s 70s! Those of us who had cars back then vividly remember - switches and sun visors could come off in your hand lol! Imagine the mechanicals!!! [/quote] Most early ninetees ones I have seen had the Allen head screws in place of the mute kit, flea era as most people call it.

My modern ones are sliding around! I made a set for my pre eb from black foam, perfect.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1382609520' post='2254247'] Exactly this. If you want old school Bose, get some cheapy cabs, turn them on their side and attach a couple of bog rolls to the front. Job done. [/quote] There is no need to bring barefaced into this!

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1382608293' post='2254221'] To be fair, I thought that Bose say that this rig is SUPPOSED to go behind the band? This is why I suspect the OP has it set up as such. I can't see it working for a rock band though. [/quote] I can't see it working ever, sound is sound where ever it comes from surely? Maybe it's designed to go behind but not with a full band mix just like a regular bass amp?

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1382608082' post='2254216'] What? No mention of the Behringer feedback destroyer? [/quote] Oh well that's different then, as you can cut out all of the frequencies the mics are picking up placed in front of the....hang on a minute......

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1382091098' post='2247712'] [size=4]I'm on the horns of a dilemma.[/size] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]We want a compact PA system for our three piece pub rock / pop band.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]The band consists of two affluent business owners and a professional drummer. We have the money to buy whatever we want. The three main criteria are portability, sound quality and enough volume.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]For the last couple of years, we have been using 2 x Roland SA-300s as a stereo PA. We use it for vocals only. Very good sound and plenty powerful for the small to medium pub scene. Have been using 3 x Behringer B205D monitors of late (which are very good).[/size][/size][/font] [size=2][size=4][font="Helvetica"]However, the Rolands in their flight cases are bulky and heavy.[/font] [/size][/size][font=Helvetica]Time for hi-tech and portability.[/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]We have purchased a Bose L1 Model II cylindrical column with the big B2 bass bin and the T1 Tonematch system. This goes [i]behind[/i] the band and has a superb sound. But, even though Bose say it doesn’t – it feeds back at volume. It’s great for our quieter semi-acoustic gigs. Unbelievably easy to transport and set up. Fantastic sound quality – and our vocals improve as it sits behind us and we hear what the audience hear.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]We have considered getting a second one of these but we’re not 100 % convinced that just adding a second will give us enough power. I have provoked a technical discussion on the Bose L1 forum which has got me more confused. Apparently, according the main technical guru on there, we will only add 3dB of gain before feedback by adding a second unit.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]So, do we risk spending another £2,800 on the prospect of maybe having enough vocal volume?[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]Or, does someone have a suggestion? Great quality sound, very portable, loud enough for pub gigs up to about 300 people, money no object.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]I’m all ears.[/size][/size][/font] [/quote] yes definitely buy another one and put that behind the band too it's sure to help cut feedback!

Our sound guy has done two gigs a week since the mid eightees, he still can't work a pa!

They just press against the strings the same as putting a foam block down there like the Motown players did, turn the screws to engage. Only on pre eb basses, new classicrays and Ernie ball basses up to around 1990 ish although the bridge with the holes for then carried on for a while after and you can fit a mute kit for £25.