stingrayPete1977

Neither have I actually but I have a roll of stickers in the van anyway : lol:

I hear you don't worry, I'm just pointing out that in the real world of gigging which is what matters imo the venues can rightly send you packing if you were asked, your not legal requirement won't wash.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1377631341' post='2189727'] I would be one of the smart arses you refer to. I let a local venue know when they insisted my gear be tested before I could play there. They were surprised to hear that it wasn't a legal requirement. It was a local PAT tester that gave them the duff info. Funny that. [/quote] Next time you can point out that its not a legal requirement but may be compulsory if the insurance say so then. You don't need a certificate for electrics on a rental property either but you do have to prove that the system is in a satisfactory condition, if you fail to do so if a tenant is injured (or just say they are) you can go to prison unless you prove you had it checked by a competent person or you are one, same grey area easily wiped out for £75 a year, and again most agencies won't let your property without one to cover their own back.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1377630082' post='2189704'] I only posted it to emphasise that it's not a legal requirement, which seems to be one of the misconceptions amongst musicians and venues alike. [/quote] Which then leads to the smart arses on here who think they can tell that to the venue, I have seen entertainments licences, fire officers inspections and the venues insurance requirements demand them as part of the agreement. I agree with you and you could point that out to the venue if they say its law, no its not you are correct but they still might be legally obliged by someone else which by default then does make it law, just not the same one

[quote name='KingBollock' timestamp='1377629657' post='2189694'] I am in no way considering this, I'm just curious. I have some certificates in electronics from a 2 year college course I did 20 years ago. I can't remember what they were all for now, one of them was fault diagnosis and repair and another was for digital design, there were at least a couple of others, one of which I got a credit for, the others only had pass or fail options. I know to work on household electrics you're supposed to be qualified or something, whenever I am asked to do something for someone else I always just think if I ever got challenged I could just whip out my certificates to at least prove I'm not clueless. Would those qualifications be enough to do my own PAT testing? Assuming I did enough research to find out exactly what it involves. I remember my mate doing a 10 day course to learn how to repair washing machines and fridges and stuff, the electronics theory for it was very, very basic (and thanks to a teacher with a very thick Yorkshire accent my mate still pronounces ohms as orms), and he ended up setting himself up in business doing it. [/quote] I will point you back to this, even on factories and schools the only term is competent person, it is used extensively throughout the regs book which funnily is not legally binding either but can be used in a law court. [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1377626934' post='2189640'] Ps, There is no such thing as a certified professional in the electrical trade only a 'competent person', them having carried out a course which gained a certificate purely helps prove competency, pedant alert over [/quote]

The info in that link is all well and good but if the venue's insurance require it for entertainment carried out by persons using equipment provided by someone other than the venue (as theirs is tested) then it is compulsory for the gig to happen. A similar example and you will be able to find a very similar link on the net is that you can ride a moped legally on the road on your car licence with no cbt if you passed your test before a certain year (1997?), you won't find an insurance company to cover you though, insurance is compulsory to ride on the road so you are back to square one and for £65 you might as well just take the training and enjoy a choice of insurers.

Could the fact its not contoured suggest a proper one off?

Ps, There is no such thing as a certified professional in the electrical trade only a 'competent person', them having carried out a course which gained a certificate purely helps prove competency, pedant alert over

I hear this same stuff about pat testing on basschat all the time, most of the things I have failed items on are faults that you are responsible for and possibly easy to prove after an incident, old non shrouded plugtops being common place. As far as covering yourself and having no come back on the tester then if you can prove the test was carried out wrong then you could sue them but more importantly you have done all that is reasonably expected of you if a guest or staff member from the venue gets hurt, that's all a court will be looking for should the worst happen. This crap about venues showing you the fixed wiring certs always comes up too, if you seriously wanted to see them most venues will have them, even our little village hall has it done every year rather than five as recommended due to their insurance and council entertainments licence. Has anyone actually asked to see them and been told they can't?, a point I made before regarding this was that the venues evening staff might not even have access to it, if you really want it I suggest emailing the venue in advance.

I have owned both a P and a Jazz from the Affinity range, I didn't but either of mine until I was well beyond a beginner as they were for modding, the Jazz was excellent out of the box, The P bass felt terrible and sounded crap so it must have been a pretty close copy

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1377604668' post='2189246'] Or hideous headstock shape. [/quote] As we now know the head stock you are thinking of is just a blank for the new owner to re shape to their design, as is the body

[quote name='oggiesnr' timestamp='1377588581' post='2188972'] My favourite double bass shop seems to work on the principle that "If sir has to ask the price then sir can not afford it". It's actually a great shop with great staff but their idea of a budget instrument starts at £5,500, better quality runs up to £25,000 and for top quality you negotiate! The same is true of their bows, over £ 7,000 you ask the price. Puts electric basses in perspective doesn't it? Steve [/quote] One set of strings alone would cover the cost of a decent used bass, a set of gut strings would get you into used Warwick territory! I'm really trying to avoid playing a nice double bass to see just how much nicer they are, hopefully mine is the squier of the DB world and I won't want one, as if

I'd be interested to know how popular genz gear is in the States Tom? Word over here is that its all about to change possibly with Fender branded class d heads being the new range?

Ok as you were then......

I feel more protective of the Gedo than my other basses even though for new replacement cost its the cheapest one I have, its my baby

I like the Clover, obviously I'd want it the right way up and with the correct number of strings but other than that, I like it

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1377522254' post='2188410'] I don't think he pays for strings [/quote] Might be the same bloke, lol. The guy I am thinking of plays a Lakland though so he has not gone all out Fender just yet, maybe he saving up for one

Even the SBMM range has a different body shape to the EBMM one, not miles off I know but they are far less contoured on the belly cut and the arm chamfeur, the rounded edges are the bit machines struggle with and are the finished by hand bit more often on more expensive basses, anyone with a custom bass will know what I mean there.

I agree with that but all the Mexican basses I have tried were dogs yet the guitars brilliant, so on a personal level 100% of Mexican basses are rubbish

Just because you see you're favourite pro on stage with a burst and tort fender don't think for a minute these people done have a healthy personal interest in music, I know a pro who is a member here who has a fantastic collection of rare and custom built basses but they are mainly for his pleasure in the studio rather than his main gig although they do on occasion get out.

The fit and finish on all my ebmm basses has been perfect, the classic I have now is flawless they are all just bits of wood, there is only so much difference between a good bass and the best basses.

Well the clip is in California