stingrayPete1977

Those Elvis mics are a real pain, even with the digital desk they are awful, if you've managed to get that under control with a standard desk your mixing skills ain't bad, master the digital and you'll be getting the best sound you've ever had!

My previous band had two rack mount feedback arresters, they ended up disconnected after finding the best arrester is someone that can ring out a room!

Feedback from the monitors is always going to be dictated by the desk not the actual monitors unless they are really rubbish and just happen to not produce the problem frequency. My spare Mackie desk only has a limited EQ and it can only do either front of house OR the monitor out, the digital desk can have a 31 band eq on each of four individual monitor mixes, the certain mics we use all have a fixed problem frequency so we pull them on the actual faders where possible then each venue has its own problem frequencies, we push each Mic and monitor way beyond where it will end up then pull the individual bands out. Occasionally the mics might sound boxy but you know that without the digital desk it would be even boxier as you'll have even less EQ bands or you can have it sounding nice yet constantly feeding back, compromise that's all.

[quote name='Deedee' timestamp='1491081549' post='3270426'] No, but that doesn't make them any less capable. [/quote] Just makes no sense when a combo socket would work for everyone, none of my cabs have jack sockets either so I'd need to use a convertor.

[quote name='Monkey Steve' timestamp='1491232693' post='3271416'] I've had the "must use the backline, that's my sound!" beaten out of me, mainly from playing a load of small-ish venues round London where bringing backline is not an easy option. Even if there is an amp on stage, what's happening out front is taken from a DI before the signal gets to the amp, so I've moved to a Tech 21 pedal and get "my sound" from that. then it's up to the venue/soundman whether they want to use the (usually cheap and tatty) amp they've provided for monitoring, or just give some bass through the PA monitors. I'm also fairly relaxed about how much i can hear on stage - as long as I can make out what the bass is doing well enough to hear if I'm out of tune/hitting the wrong note that's all I need for a gig. I have a real bugbear about band members/other bands who spend an absolute age getting the soundman to make a series of minor tweaks so that they get the exact mix that they want...usually the guitarist. Priority for me is that the singer can hear enough to stay in tune and the drummer can hear enough to follow their queues. Once that's done I'll take whatever level of bass they can give me. I was going to add a line about making sure i can hear enough of the guitars to follow my queues...but you can always hear the feckin' guitars, whether you want to or not. [/quote] +1 For anything multiband I'll take audible and useable over anything else.

You can't just blame the digital desk, or the in ears, there are plenty of bands using a digital desk with conventional monitors and bands using in ears with old style desks, jeez how long have in ears been around? If no one in the band can work the desk that's another issue but I wouldn't write off playing in a band with a digital desk and/or in ears before finding out if someone in the band can work it. You can only use a backline as front of house mix up to a point anyway, at some point it's going to need to go into a PA and the band will need monitors.

I get what dad says about budget but quite often the people that poo poo monitoring with anything other than their own amp and cabs normally have expensive cabs, an RCF 745a is £1000 but with a decent preamp to model the sound it would sound epic pointing at your face during a gig! It would have a tonal range in excess of pretty much any bass rig without losing any of the typical bass amp frequencies.

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1491220546' post='3271276'] I've abandoned my rig when we gig the small pubs purely down to lack of space and the b*llache of lugging it in and out of vans and venues. So now I DI from my DHA preamp pedal into the PA ( xair 18, RCF tops, monitors and a Mackie sub), sounds great, loooads less hassle to set up. [/quote] I'd say for pubs this is the winning setup, thumbs up from me.

What gets me with these threads where people declare the need for their sound etc is that chances are if the sound coming back from decent monitoring isn't good enough then the FOH probably isn't sounding how they want either, there can't be many (any?) bass amps out there with the capabilities of an aux out from a digital mixer, I'd put an RCF wedge and an xair mixer against any amp for monitoring with my money on the mixer being the best option.

Once used it's used anyway, as long as it's the updated 2012 onwards version it's resale wouldn't be any different for 2013,14,15 etc imo.

I just can't get on with passive basses, I don't think they suit my amps tbh. I was happy with everything else on the bass, it's great now.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1491156691' post='3270905'] If I might suggest a Fender American Standard Jazz V [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/303149-fender-american-standard-jazz-v-5-string-passive-jazz/page__fromsearch__1"]http://basschat.co.u...__fromsearch__1[/url] [/quote] Not active though, but a preamp makes them stonking, I use my 2013 alongside a £2300 Musicman happily at most gigs

The silver Lakland Jazz in guitar guitar brum has been there for years.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1491134228' post='3270705'] Does this bother you? If so I would ask for an actual new bass. As fair enough old stock etc but 2012 is a bit too much imo. I mean it could also effect its value if you chose to sell it on also. [/quote] It could increase it! 2012 is seen as a good year these days, I'd keep it if it's nice.

Would those vintage amps still have 1/4 jacks if Speakons had existed?

You lot are a barrel of laughs aren't you?

If you know from previous experience that the bass you have has everything you want other than a few bits from a version previously owned sometimes you can know the 'upgrade' will work, putting those musicman humbuckers into parallel will work, 41 years of awesome hit records is good evidence Resale values? Life's too short for that.

Without the active preamp my Jazz just wouldn't work for me, bit of tinkering and it's at every gig, the massive devaluing also adds to the reasons to keep it too My 2004 Ray 5 was fretless and now isn't, my classicRay5 has an east circuit. The only one standard is the 2010 AIlnico Ray5 I bought new,I'll keep that as is.

Phono jack says one of two things, big old fashioned lump (see v type in thread), or practice amp.

I think I would too

Time for this thread again already? Ampband is the answer.

[quote name='lee650' timestamp='1490906376' post='3269020'] NO mines a 2006 model which is all wired in Series! EB changed it to parallel in 2008,when they introduced the Sterling 5, so musicman must have thought it needed tinkering with 😉😁 it was to differentiate the two models I think! It sounds great,but I want the parallel setting as well. [/quote] Everyday is a school day! How many switch positions does it have? I'm sure it could be put 'right' easily enough.

[quote name='lee650' timestamp='1490896756' post='3268942'] Cheers Mcnach! I'm actually going to get a pro to do it! I have an old Ray 5HH which is series wired (as per the Sterling) it sounds fantastic and really punches through a band mix,however I miss the parallel setting I had on my old sterling and want that option too.i wouldn't try and do something like that myself 😁 I'm also thinking of adding the East MM 3 band at the same time. [/quote] Isn't the fully rewards position H parallel? Or has it been tinkered with.

And snorted just as much coke as these frustrated guitarists ever did too, good lad

Bit of gouging and soldering a push pull pot in and you can have a series parallel version of either then, I already have on mine as I'm a grown up with five strings and that function is standard P.S I never saw a sign about the grass and I forgot to bring any poo bags!