mrtcat

For that budget I'd be looking for something used. Roland kits might be a stretch but if you can find anything by yamaha you'll not be too far wrong. 

Wow. That's some great deals on UE stuff. 

1 hour ago, lemmywinks said:

I get the feeling that IEMs would be far more beneficial than you realise, those small stages where everything is a compromise  become the same as any other gig. I do a wide range of gigs and the biggest difference for me is on small stages, certainly those ones where you are crammed in a corner next to an obnoxiously loud drummer.

This all day long.

A bit like EBS_freak I do everything from big corporate parties to small pubs. IEMS are a godsend in tiny venues where you're all on top of each other.  They allow your sound to be pretty much identical on any stage. 

If our drummer was "old school" and only had one volume level then the only way I could ever work with him would be with IEMS. It let's me control exactly how much of him I hear. A simple overhead condenser and a kick mic works fine. Without IEMS I would just get annoyed that he didn't have the brainpower to see that failure to control his volume not only buggered up the foh sound in a small venue but it also buggers up what everyone else in the band hears.

1 hour ago, Chienmortbb said:

The problem is that two 12 or 15" PA tops of most brands are a compromise. I agree that there are many tops from QSC, RCF, Yamaha that work for bass but not if vocals, guitars and drums all go through them. We some times use some Alto 18" subs with the Alto 12" tops and that works quite well. Lots of headroom and I barely have my amp on when we use those, but they are impractical for most pub and club gigs.

From experience I've rarely found any tops from QSC, Rcf or Yamaha that can't cope with a whole band and bass through them unless you really stick to their entry level gear. Using a hpf wherever necessary in your mixer can really free up some headroom.

Pa speakers make great bass amps. After all its usually pa stuff that pushes audio tech forward with many bass amp manufacturers being way behind the curve. 

Singer does it. None of the rest of us mind what goes where and none of us could be arsed with the whole committee decision making thing. 

Is this the one that mr noisy was selling last week? I was sorely tempted.

Colleagues first and foremost. This band is purely work for me (and the rest of the band) and it's all about delivering a good product and making money. We do over 100 gigs a year,  many involving long journeys, so it's important that we get along ok. There's no issues at all and we generally rub along well.

My band mates are all individuals tho so on a personal level I like them to differing degrees. I like the lead guitarist a lot, he's a really sound guy and we always have a laugh. Band leader is a really nice guy with a great sense of humour but he's very quiet and pensive a lot of the time so not that easy to feel like we're particularly close mates. Drummer can be great and really friendly but also can be an utter knob. He tends to throw strops and chuck mutually owned band gear around so I have very little respect for that. My wife refers to him as "the man baby" because he can be really childish and stubborn at times. 

Count  me out. I'm under strict instruction from my accountant to spend some money on gear. Who am I to argue?

3 minutes ago, jrixn1 said:

The router wifi is password protected.

This. Just remember to change the password if you sack a guitarist or someone. 

Oh yeah, if you're using an XR18 then I'd advise using a separate router. You'll get a much more reliable wifi connection that way.

1 hour ago, EBS_freak said:

multiple connections in from various devices is all good.

I'll add to this that if they install the "x-air Q" app rather than the "x-air" app then they'll only be able to adjust monitor mixes and not do anything that affects front of house. I got all my bandmates using the Q version of the app in my last band and only had the regular x-air app open on the tablet that I used for foh.

3 hours ago, Muzz said:

I play a lot of weddings, and no-one ever faces the band - why would they? OK, there's some who are interested for a little while, but unless you're the sort of band that puts on a show (like a tribute act), they've come to dance and have a good time with their friends, not to 'see' the band. We're just there to add the music in a live context.

Our show is pretty energetic so this is not our experience in general. It really is only the young crowds that tend to dance with their backs to us. 

2 hours ago, SICbass said:

What freaks me out about this is that it is implicit that this sort of nonsense is not infrequent. 
I left the UK in 1990 and stories like this (sometimes even worse) of punters‘ behaviour seem to be commonplace these days. Back then that would have been exceptionally poor behaviour.

It is so bad these days that it has to be written into the contract with the client that should the client or their guests interfere with the band's equipment in any way, the band reserves the right to cancel the performance immediately and no refunds will be given. Luckily not something we have had to enforce yet although we have stopped songs a few times due to crowd interference. 

On 13/11/2019 at 19:03, mrtcat said:

Can you pan stuff in your in ear mix without it being panned in the foh mix? Current band has an Allen and Heath qu16. If I could pan stuff in my in ear mix on that it would be killer.

Turns out this is really simple with the Allen and Heath desk. It's gone up a lot in my humble opinion since I worked it out.

Finally got my s**t together last month and sorted wiring so I now run in stereo. Like night and day from running mono. I'm the only one in the band using stereo and the others don't like change. Their loss.

Ordered a D-roc 5 string standard with the three pickup configuration from bass direct. Should be here next year sometime. Full bling aquamarine sparkle.

I think that younger generations have been bought up in such a different musical world that many really don't understand live music.

I've done about 100 weddings so far this year and one thing that really sticks out is how much younger crowds have been influenced by DJs and nightclub / bar music. So often we find the dancefloor is full but nobody is facing the band. Everyone is dancing in little circles of mates like they would in a club. Then when a song ends they look really unsure as to what to do? They are so used to songs being mixed together that they can't get their heads around a break in the music. They almost seem embarrassed by the pause.

Doesn't surprise me one bit that they see someone with an iPad and instantly assume that's where the music is coming from. 

Sorry sir, was collected by new owner this morning. I'll amend the post accordingly. Cheers 

45 minutes ago, CameronJ said:

Perhaps we should start an IEM porn thread?

Age is irrelevant. What you need to decide is whether you want to be in a band, if so what you want out of a band and what level of commitment you can give it. 

I'm 43, run my own company, have a wife and daughter and my wife is currently 8 months pregnant. This year I joined a really busy function band and have played over 100 weddings all over the uk including gigs in Cornwall and one in Aberdeen. I can make it work and I'm enjoying it. I had to accept that in joining such a band I had to commit 110% . I don't get to choose which gigs I want to do. Everything that comes in has to be honoured. 

I had to balance loss of family time, loss of sleep and juggling gigs plus a busy work life with the enjoyment of playing live and the significant additional income that will allow my wife to have a long maternity leave. 

Just think about what you want out of a band then decide if you can make it balance. Forget age. 

High beams on my precision. Love it to bits.

9 minutes ago, DaytonaRik said:

I can only confirm the comments from @EBS_freak  - moving from a mono IEM with my XR18 to a stereo mix from the X32 Rack is night and day - instead of the everything being sonically stacked on top of itself, making it sometimes tricky to distinguish between different instruments in the mix, the audio is now panned across the stereo image with each instrument being placed as it is on stage, with the option of bring each artist's own instrument/voice to the centre of the mix if required for added clarity and being 'dominant' in the mix without swamping the levels.  

Can you pan stuff in your in ear mix without it being panned in the foh mix? Current band has an Allen and Heath qu16. If I could pan stuff in my in ear mix on that it would be killer.

Mark made a very long and wet drive down to mine to buy my Barefaced PA system today. He made the whole sale extremely easy and was a real pleasure to deal with. Top BCer.

9 hours ago, sPiKi said:

Anyone tried the Blon BL03 IEMs?

 

I'm currently using the CCA C10s and while they do a pretty good job as my first step into IEMs, after using them for a few months now, I am finding the treble a bit harsh, even after EQing with my tone control, amp and the A&H SQ5 app. 

 

Are there any other makes and models worth considering at the budget end with a smoother sound for us bassists?

 

Also, can anyone advise on a decent reasonably priced replacement cable?

 

Thanks.

Looks like a single driver per ear. I'd definitely be far more inclined to go down the kz zs10 route.